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Comment by Naifon

Drops off High Astromancer Solarian in the Tempest Keep: The Eye.

Comment by TheRaven

All dps plate from The Eye and SSC will have the Tier 3 texture.

Comment by Xamibon

61 str 52 sta 43 crit rating with
8 str,
8crit and
4crit 6 sta sockets

Vs
Merciless Gladiator's Plate Legguards

Equip: Improves hit rating by 14.
Equip: Improves critical strike rating by 43.
+47 Strength
+63 Stamina

Bloodwarden wins dps wise since they have 14 str more = 28 ap..
Tho you ofc can argue if youd like the 14 hit rating more.. Tho i would use bloodwarden as a twohand'er for pure dps (you can upgrade even more with epic gems from honor, black temple and the upcomming patch)

Comment by Xamibon

Ahh yes.. Its acually 8 AP more : O
Thanks.. Forgot all about that ^^

Comment by Ironhawk

This item is part of the T5 look-alike plate set, its in a greenish tone.

- Helm: Fel-Steel Warhelm: https://www.cuckhead.com/cata/item=29983
- Shoulders: Pauldron of the Wardancer: https://www.cuckhead.com/cata/item=30053
- Chest: Krakken-Heart Breastplate: https://www.cuckhead.com/cata/item=30102
- Bracers: Bracers of Eradication: https://www.cuckhead.com/cata/item=30057
- Gloves: None.
- Belt: Girdle of the Invulnerable: https://www.cuckhead.com/cata/item=30096
- Legs: Greaves of the Bloodwarder: https://www.cuckhead.com/cata/item=29950
- Boots: Warboots of Obliteration: https://www.cuckhead.com/cata/item=30081

Comment by 86545

How do these compare versus tier 5 dps legs? I am close to obtaining either, and trying to decide which I should aim for.

Comment by 91661

I don't understand. You've posted 2 screenshots and the items seem diferent. One is a dark green kind and the other a very light green with yellow. Whitch one is the true?

Comment by 97583

This is worse then the warrior Season 3 legguards for DPS.

Comparison Unsocketed: (Sola -> Vengeful P.o.V.)
Bloodwarder's. . .Vengeful . . . .Bonus
+49 Str . . . . . . . +51 Str . . . . . .+2 Str
+46 Sta . . . . . . .+70 Sta . . . . . +24 Sta
+1,4% crit . . . . .+2,13% crit . . +0,77% crit
+0% hit . . . . . . . +0,76% hit . . .+0,76% hit
+0 Arm Ign. . . . .+84 Arm Ign . .+84 Arm Ign

Considering the sockets are filled with:
Red: 8Str
Yellow: 4Str 4Crit
Blue: 4Str 6Sta

Socketed Comparison:
Bloodwarder's. . .Vengeful . . . .Bonus
+61 Str . . . . . . . +51 Str . . . . . .-10 Str
+52 Sta . . . . . . .+70 Sta . . . . . +18 Sta
+1,58% crit . . . . .+2,13% crit . . +0,59% crit
+0% hit . . . . . . . +0,76% hit . . .+0,76% hit
+0 Arm Ign. . . . .+84 Arm Ign . .+84 Arm Ign

A loss of 10 Str for 18 Sta, 0,59% crit, 0,76% hit and 84 AI, would seem as an upgrade to me.

I've noted Stamina, since if you killed Solarian, your near Mount Hyjal and Black Temple, where DPSers also need Stamina.

Comment by 30541

Considering that most Retribution Paladins around this level have as their most comparable piece of leg armor the Season 3 legs (or worse), a quick comparison:

Vengeful Gladiator's Scaled Legguards
54 Str
66 Sta
23 Int
12 Hit
36 Crit

Greaves of the Bloodwarder (I am assuming that meta gem requirement is already met by preexisting gear; therefore your most sensible gem choice is to ignore the socket bonus and go with 3x Bold Living Ruby
49 Str (+24) = 73 Str
46 Sta
31 Crit

Given that all Retribution Paladins will have Divine Strength 5/5, these legs grant 39.9 AP while the Paladin loses a negligible amount of crit (while recent changes in the Ret tree have made gaining crit incredibly easy for Paladins). If you can maintain a hit cap when picking up these items, they quickly overshadow any PvP rewards and become the best Retribution Paladin leggings until Archimonde's Legguards of Endless Rage with debatable gains based on the leg's +hit and an easily obtainable 2H hit cap.

Comment by Allakhazam

Drop from TK: The eye?

I want it.. Socket it with some hit gems and u have yourself the best fury pants in game until you get yourself a pair of tier5-6 :)

Comment by Allakhazam

Drop from High Astromancer Solarian in TK and imo much better than t5 :)

added to the wishlist :)

Edited, Jun 9th 2007 1:23pm by Swiftstrike

Comment by Thottbot

this is clearly a $%^&*!in item, just put some int gems on it and BAM there you have it!

Comment by Thottbot

I'd pretty much say it was a Warrior loot... if it didn't have sockets, surely you can put some spell damage or intellect sockets in and it would be useable for Paladin. Though no doubt a great Warrior loot also.

Comment by Thottbot

where does it drop

Comment by Thottbot

agreed
but does anyone know where these drop?

Comment by Thottbot

Astromancer Solarian in Tempest Keep 25 man drops them

Comment by Thottbot

First of all, I'dd agree that this is warrior item. But to reply on that long post about "no use of str to pala". You see, when you have greater white dmg, you will do higher SoCommand dmg, cuz its based on ur regular dmg % and it's just holy. So if u do have greater white dmg, u will do even higher holy dmg with SoC cuz there are no holy ressistance to real players.
You should also know (if you didnt start playing after TBC came) that not a few times it happened that warriors had advantage over paladins on Legguards of Fallen Crusader, which are clearly pala drop. So if u have that kind of rule in guild, that allows, for instance, paladins to take cloths for heal even when there are priests who need it, then u should leave it if u dont like it.
Anyway, I'dd give advantage on warriors cuz I play paladin, and dont think I would need those to win warriors in duels, which is quite easy. I would even buff it and give "warrior class" so u can stop whining about it. Face the facts: Paladins in 1vs1 can do more dmg/heal (in fact, survive) than warriors even tho Blizzard did all in their power to nerf paladins in following things (write down if I forgot something):
-Forbearence or what is the word, which additional afflicted when we got Avenging wrath on same restriction
-all spells except judge is on "holy" so if u got imp counter spell, we can do nothing witheen 10 seconds
-Divine shield, which should "protect paladin from all dmg and spells" can be easely dispelled by priests
-Druids remove all buffs (even aura) with cyclone
-Divine shield sometimes remove buffs and aura aswell
-Upcoming 50% mana back on crit heal
U might call it that I missed topic, but with last few lines I just wanted to show that even with big nerf we dont need some 3p1x plate with crit/str to become able to pwn those players who took class that was made to dps in instances(which is not as interesting as healing), or to get punched by any mob :D /jk warriors, I <3 u all

Comment by Thottbot

Paladin stole my bike.

Comment by Thottbot

Let me end this stupid argument, because I am probably one of the only people posting that actually is in a guild that clears TK/SSC.

In my guild, when dps plate drops, or 2 handers, they go to warriors. Paladins have 0.0% chance. A paladin in a good guild knows he is a healer, and only a healer. Ret sucks for raids, and warriors/feral druids tank, paladins fill the spot much better as healers because they are excellent healers.

When dps plate drops it goes to the dps warrior (me) then tanks for fun, then often its just disenchanted. Pallies get 2 handers after every warrior has one, but the ones in our guild would not want these. why? Because T4 is rot now and they can get T4 ret set, and most of them have no interest in ret, because its a useless spec. they would rather team with a dps class to farm and pvp because its much better.

Bottom line is, if you want to hit stuff, roll a warrior or rogue. Pallies heal in decent guilds, learn it or quit.

Comment by Thottbot

newb: "hi I'm a pally, can i join your pug?"
me: "uhhh, how much +healing do you have?"
newb: "oh i'm ret. i can dps real good!"
me: /ignore newb

newb: "hi, can i join your guild? i want to raid"
me: "how much +healing do you have?"
newb: "oh i'm ret... but i do crazy dps"
me: ya, you can join my guild as soon as you respec....

newb: "dude paladins can dps"
me: "ya, i know they can"
newb: "wow you're the first person who hasn't spit on me after i said i'm a dps pally"
me: "ya, i know pallies can dps. just not as good as a mage, lock, priest, warrior, rogue, or hunter"
me: /spit

Comment by Thottbot

im have a ret spece'd pally on doomhammer and im sure i have owned some of you in bg if your in the nightfall bracket for pvp. i have been playing a ret pally since the day i started the game. pally's can dps just as much as any warrior or rogue if you have the right gear. they are also good for raid dps casue they do gain mana from spiritual attunment , which keeps our mana pool frsh for lots of judgements....and to the dumb people that dont know anything about pally's or ret pally's..spell damage pally's suck! my toon is more equip with strength than int.. when you go for spell damage you lose you chances to get good strength gear. alot of people are just jealous of the pally class over all i think..pally's are the most hated class in the game. we can heal , dps and tank...while other classes are stuck chosing between 2 combat styles. i have all dps gear on my toon and he ownz suckaz in bg! so since people are complaining about pally's claiming dps gear ...i am going to complain about warriors wanting dps gear cause they make better tanks than they do dps'ers , just like everyone thinks paladins are better healers than dps'ers. i think everyone just needs to stfu and play the damn game...roll need if they drop and you want em...that's why they made the damn rolling system. quit crying..little baby warriors...don't be mad cause pally's are taking your 2nd job...losers. im on nightfall bracket if you think i can't dps. my name is enrock from doomhammer server. come get some i will pwn every single one of you weak warriors and little stealth rogues. let me repeat it.....enrock - doomhammer - nightfall pvp bracket.

Comment by Thottbot

If your guild can clear to Solarion with a Ret pally, then the Ret pally deserves the chance to spend dkp on these, same as any warrior. Very simple.

Can your guild clear to him? If so, great. Can they do it with a Retribution specced pally? If so, awesome. If not, then there's not need to debate about it.

For the record, these are the strongest ret pants until Archimonde or T6.

Comment by Thottbot

Every class has a DPS spec and for classes that can heal like priest, shaman, paladin, and druid.

SOme of these classes are Hybrid. And they are the Shaman, paladin, and Druid. As hybrids you still lean more closer to certain spec's.

For Shaman i can tell blizz wants them to move to Elemental (that whole put AP on items for Enh shaman to have a chance was just a way Blizz tricked us into thinking they care about shammy)

For Paladins its healing or i can even say protection (sometimes) I just see to much damn plate with +spell dmg or +healing to conclude that Blizz wanted the paladin to be a strait up melee class. Only reason i also say protection is because the pally lvl 70 dugeon set.

For Druids well Blizz did a good job on them they are a perfect hybrid of caster, heals, melee DPS.

(Also in my opionin may have spelled that wrong that If paladins were also a melee class or do as much dmg as a mage rogue etc. They would be considered overpowered. (yes i know we got over the paladins are over powered crap this is just an IF they got)the reason the Warriors are allowed so much DPS as fury is they cant heal which is a downfall, the reason the mage can do some much DPS is cause he wear's cloth and also cant heal but they have a multitude a moves to let t hem run away in a nasty situation, The reason the Shaman can do alot of DPS is because of basicly WInd Fury (i havent tried ele yet) they also have the ability to heal themselves as a downfall i notice they have lost of agro do to insane DPS and lack of minus threat abilities (BTW the -20% agro totem also takes away from the Tanks agro so kinda useless) If a Paladin was given the chance to be able to Out DPS a mage or Shaman just woundn't be right like shaman they can heal themselves wearplate have that Blessing of Sacutary -30% threat (able to chose who to put it on) incase he was still pulling agro Bubble while still doin DPS greater than a Mage. Every class has its pro's and con's If plate Melee gear like this actully helped a Paladin i could glady say the Paladin should be nerfed both Horde or Alliance

Thats why i think these should go to a warrior over a Paladin (only an opinin though)

Comment by Thottbot

Meant to say Paladin instead of Shaman somewhere in that last coment
(you'll now where to find it)

Comment by Thottbot

I love this site. I can just come here between BG ques or waiting for everyone to gather for a raid, and its just so entertaining.

Enrock, the term LOL is used a lot, but I actually chuckled to myself when I looked you up on armory (awesome idea by blizzard)

Your gear is beyond bad, and your arena rating is horrific. I doubt you "pwn" mobs, let alone players.

If anyone would like to link me a ret pally with really good gear, in a good guild please do. I don't think you can, because no good guild will allow a retadan. Heal me and like it, or reroll.

Comment by Thottbot

In the end who gets these will just be the one with the highest dkp, so no use argueing over pally / warr

that said, pallys are a hybrid defensive class, so they arent the best dps, even as ret, their place isnt as a number one dps in a raid, but they do have a place in raids as dps if your guild isnt as closed minded as most.

No other dps has as good buffs, is as self sustainable, or can help healers if really needed. a good ret pally should be able to keep up with 'the pack' of dps, with his judgements and those of other pallys he can hold a +3% crit chance and chance on hit to regen mana and hp, keeping the raid going hard longer.

also mana shouldnt even come into it for a ret pally, unless you got full warrior gear, their mana pool is very sustainable due to BoW and their 'blue rage bar', as i said before, their a defensive hybrid class, even as ret, so they take dmg in place of a weaker class, and in turn get healed, and get mana back due to spiritual attunement. anyway whats the most expensive spell a ret pally uses? seal of command for like 300 mana?

back to the point, if you want these, dkp is the way to go, not argueing over pally / warr

Comment by Thottbot

Sigh paladins cant dps wah wah wah wah.

I'm an experienced raiding retribution paladin (horde). I happen to deal alot of damage, usually top 5 in my guild. No I don't expect to reach number 1 dps, no hybrid should.

The missing dps comes in form of a thing called 'support'. I doubt most of you morons ever heard about it, but it just so happens that paladins have decent support tools. Barely acceptable, but that's how it is until 2.3 anyway

1 Ret paladin brings:
Decent damage
The ability to keep up Judgement of Light and Wisdom from other paladins
+3% crit to the WHOLE raid (15 people)
+2% dmg done to the party

This is decent isn't it?

But what happens if you f'king greedy warriors don't 'let' the retribution paladins get any loot? Then they will deal HORRIBLE damage, and they will NOT be put in the melee group for windfury totem, AND THEY WILL SUFFER EVEN MORE from the poor itemization this game has for retribution paladins.

But since I am decently geared (almost full epic), I actually managed to pull aggro from Magtheridon tonight by auto swing + seal + WF totem alone. I looked away for 5 seconds and I was dead. If I wasn't crippled so bad by the threat cap that ret paladins also has to deal with, I'd beat all you wannabe's out there in dps any day

Know your class, know how the other classes work before making up stupid arguements such as "LOL L2HOLY NUB", "RETRI PALADIN? &*!@#$ PALLI IS MORE LIKE IT ROLFS" and "LOL YOU DONT NEED STR, GO PICK UP SPELL DMG NOOB"

Ranudabi of Sunstrider EU

Comment by Thottbot

As of patch 2.3 these are pretty nice for a Blood Elf Ret Paladin.

Seal of Blood > Seal of Command as it scales better with melee stats, and as a result doesnt require spell damage.

Comment by Thottbot

Thank gawd I've got S3 arena pants, more armor, more stamina, and best of all, more dps.

Comment by Thottbot

Screw you who said: ""¤#%;" noob retribution paladin took my loot, whine whine whine etc." cause now, after2.4 patch, ppl still say, paladin DPS should have spell damage and spell crit, well lets see, what we need Spell damage for? Judgements, which is on the 3# place on my DPS done off my spells on raid, im a retri paladin who is raiding SSC/TK soon Hyjal, i see my stats on net, "most damage done: Melee hit... 2# Crusader Strike 3# Seal of Command" 4# Judgement of command (which is only one we'd need spell damage for, so why would i get hell like spell damage to increase my suckiest damage spell (afteri retribution aura), why i wouldn't increase the damage of my best spell to do most damage, AP, increases your Crusader Strike damage, (after patch 2.4 it does 110% OF ur weapon damage) and Seal of Command Proc, which takes damage from ur weapon damage, why the hec does a guild take retri paladi to raid? here why +1 Bonus Blessing
2% more damage to ur group (improved Sanctity aura)
3% crit for whole raid (improved Seal of Crusader)
and not too great, but nice damage done.

if u want to say something to me, plz do, im at Arathor alliance human paladin called Tyrakhys

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Greaves of the Bloodwarder

Item Level 128
Binds when picked up

Legs	Plate

1268 Armor
+49 Strength
+46 Stamina

Red Socket
Yellow Socket
Blue Socket
Socket Bonus: +4 Strength

Durability 120 / 120

Requires Level 70
Equip: Improves critical strike rating by 31.

Sell Price: 8 90 69

Dropped by: High Astromancer Solarian

Drop Chance: 19.67%

This item is part of the following transmog set: Destroyer Armor (Recolor)

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