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Kommentar von 146050

The way I look at this talent and the hammer of the righteous, it seems to me its like the old classic tanking weapon, Thunderfury. However we are in full control of the procs, raid bosses it will make so much easier everyone knows that pallys take more damage then a warrior so if we can slow the damage just makes it so much better.

Kommentar von frankster

its a bit irritating warriors have to put 3 points into improved thunderclap to get the same effect

Kommentar von lordkarthas

Does this stack with Deathfrost?

Kommentar von 36802

I really dont get how could this idea that this talet wont work or is not designed to work on raid bosses come in some ones mind. This talen is clearly designed for MTing palas.

Kommentar von Woedan80

Here is my look on it everyone. Using this Talent lowers the attack speed of the enemy/boss we're fighting. Lowering the attack speed means we get hit less.

Benefits I can only see to this talent is as followed:

We take less damage, cause we get hit less.
(That's about it)

Things that are not a benefit about this talent:

Being hit less means our holy shield doesn't go off as much. Our Holy shield causes Holy Damage and Threat. Lack of Holy Shield being used=loss of Threat.

Blessing of Sanctuary, Gives us a chance to receive mana back every time we block, parry, or dodge. Being hit less means we block, parry, and dodge less. This means less mana from Sanctuary.

If you use Retribution Aura, this will also reduce the damage it will do to the enemy/boss. For it does Holy damage every time we get hit. A enemy hitting us less reduces holy damage.....reduces threat.

This you probably already know. Yes, our Avenger shield, Shield of Righteousness, and Hammer of Righteousness help a lot out in Threat, but as a tank I believe our job is to create as much threat as possible. To give everyone in the Raid/Heroic a chance to complete unleash on the boss. Providing more damage output. To help the boss go down faster.

I will be honest with you all. I've never put talent points into this before. I don't know how much of a threat/mana difference it makes, but I do know this. Without ever using this talent. I've done every heroic, 10-man naxx, 10-man OS, 25-man Naxx, 25-man OS, and 10-man Eye of eternity.

I've never had a problem and my threat has always been really high and I never have a mana problem. Also, Divine Shield and Potions like Indestructible potion are when we are in a pinch and need to take less damage.

I just don't see the reason for this talent.

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Llane&n=Woedan

Kommentar von 91216

The main tank will usually have things like a DK or a Warrior beating on the boss target. This DOES NOT stack with the DK debuff or the Warrior debuff.

As it stands, this talent is pretty garbage, unless you 5 man or don't run a 10 man with either a Warrior or a DK.

Post 3.10, it changes, might be meaningful. But the changes add some stun reduction cooldown to HoJ to it, so it looks to be garbage as well for MT'ing bosses (ie, immune to stuns).

Personally, I'd rather it take off 5/10 seconds to Avenger's Shield instead of the crappy HoJ change for DEEP Prot.

Kommentar von 34578

The Seal of Justice change is bewildering to me actually, it is clearly not a PvE change since bosses are immune to stuns. And blizz has stated their intention to remove RNG stuns from the game for PvP purposes (first Mace Spec, now Blackout and Impact are on the chopping block).

With this new talent, HoJ could potentially be a 10 second cooldown for Prot Pallys provided there is no change in functionality to Improved Hammer of Justice (Or 0 even if you by some chance had the old PvP gear on for #$%^s and giggles).

Since the Hammer and Seal of Justice dont share diminishing returns. Assume a completely perfect situation:
Hammer of Justice: 6 Second Stun
Seal of Justice proc right after: 3 Second Stun
Another proc for 1.5 Seconds
Hammer of Justice is cooled-down for an additional 3 seconds.

13.5 seconds of 'You can't do that while stunned'.

Even without that imaginary situation, I think its fair enough to say that IT'S HAMMER TIME.

Kommentar von 321050

Ardent Defender, Improved Hammer of Justice, One-Handed Weapon Specialization and more have had their ranks reduced.

I don't think there will be a 10sec cd on HoJ...

Kommentar von Dejmos

a mage with TtW https://www.cuckhead.com/cata/spell=55340 requires a slow (i.e. attack speed or movement debuff) effect on the target and will therefore love you for having this talent

Kommentar von Woedan80

Ok, so I tried this out and it helps, but to be honest with you not that much. I raided with this talent for weeks and things were fine. Now I tried a different spec last night and well....I'm not switching. The new spec I tried was in a full clear of 25-man Naxx.
No Wipes!
This Spec will increase your threat by a very large amount. Giving all DPS in the Raid to go completely all out.

Downsides to this spec is:
Less in Argent Defender
No Kings, but we use Sanctuary and if you have other paladins in the raid it doesn't matter.

Now I know Argent Defender to some is very important, but I assure you. If you have good gear and your a good tank who knows what your doing. This isn't a issue at all. Through the entire raid there were no wipes and I did notice I was taking just a little extra damage, but really little. My threat on the other hand Doubled from my last spec.

This new spec gives you a 10% chance to Crit, but increasing your overall damage by 3%. An Additional 3% to humanoids, elementals, demons, and undead. (90% of naxx is undead)

So a total of 10% crit with 6% damage increase to undead. (7% if your using the glyph of sense undead)

This Spec gave me know problems and was extremely fun to deal so much holy damage.

Here's my current spec:
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-talents.xml?r=Llane&n=Woedan

If you don't like it fine. Don't try it. If you want to give it a whirl. Have some fun.

Kommentar von 852431

Staple for any self-respecting tank.

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