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Kommentar von 9443

I would agree with above ^^^
This is a MUST for all PvP Paladins, There is a nice trick for this that I used.
-When you are in range to use this against your enemy, immediatley use repentance to dismount/ stop the enemy/ seperate him from his group. (I especially find this useful when trying to catch enemies such as Flagholders)
-Now that your enemy is stopped regain a bit of mana for a second or heal (potions etc)
-now hit him again with a Hammer of Justice
-He is stunned again, Unleash your DPS

Kommentar von 79473

Does Will of Forsaken remove this?

Kommentar von Abraxin

While this is a great CC for PvP and "light CC" in PvE, I really feel like it's quite underpowered. Don't get me wrong. I love this spell with all my heart. I am a Ret-arded person after all lol. But I really do think this should have been made into a baseline paladin spell. Making this "Improved Repentance" would have been sweetness.+3% increased chance that it won't be resisted and +19 seconds added to its duration against NPCs. Wonderful!

As it is? It's a staple for any Retadin out there. Be they PvP or PvE. No reason NOT to get this. But it really does need an upgrade after all this time :)

Kommentar von 114313

Why is this better than sheep? I know pallys needed a CC (well, sort of), but this is easily the best CC in the game! To a class that can already tank, heal, and damage!

Kommentar von Shockna

Lets hope they don't nerf this, this is a real good improvement for Retadins, one way too long in coming.

Kommentar von 107853

Does it go in Diminishing Returns with other spells in PvP?
I'm thinking about the Ret/Rogue 2v2 combo, does this have a DR shared with Sap/Gouge/Blind?

Kommentar von 180957

Repentance (Retribution) mana cost changed to 9% of base, duration increased to 1 minute (10 second PvP duration), now usable against Demons, Dragonkin, Giants, Humanoids and Undead.

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/patchnotes/

Kommentar von rm2k3guy14

I would love to know why Sap lasts 10 seconds in PvP when it is an Incapacitate effect like Repentance, but this still only 6 seconds? The mechanics are the same, it just seems to be that Blizz is yet again favouring Rogues.

Kommentar von 129231

an important note is that while u get an automatic crit if u judge command on a incapacitated/stunned target... Sap counts as "Sap" and not incapacitate so it WONT automatically crit if u judge..

However both effects share diminishing returns..

I play with a rogue in 2v2 so i tested this many times

Suggestion: they should change the icon.. a sleep or something paladinish style.. 2 guys staring at something at a distance doesent seem like a worty spell icon hehe

Kommentar von 312797

This may be overpowered it's cc for an entire frigging minute. You could take an opposing team's player out of battle for an entire minute if you wanted, provided they had no way to escape it.

Kommentar von 632746

This is an outstanding ability for PvP but it shines out moustly in PvE ill just point out why :)
1.in PvP its 8 secs , in PvE its 1 minute
2.since its duration AND cooldown are eaqual in PvE you can keep your target asleep forever
This means that you can solo any elite mob with this since you can take your time to heal up and regn mana with divine plea.
3.Can leave the opponent out of the fight until you and your party have dealt with his friends
An awesome spell to have in PvP and PvE.

Kommentar von esbeon

which translates as: "anything other than an elemental"

so get a warlock to help............

Kommentar von 496443

Does anyone know if this can now be used to interrupt boss spellcasts (that are interruptable of course)?

Kommentar von 331303

this will be changed the next patch, censure stacks will no longer break CC effects. a useful macro for anyone not already doing this is:

#showtooltip
/stopattack
/cast Repentance

this way even if you're in melee range of your target and already hit him a few times, your auto attacks wont break it

Kommentar von Ronark

Repentance is being buffed in 4.2 to a 30 yard range, however it still breaks on all damage except Censure.

Like other CCs changed for 4.2, this spell will also not initially aggro mobs or nearby mobs when out of combat. However, getting too close to the mob or creature will still cause the mob to "remember" that you CC'd it, and you will be placed into combat and have aggro on it.

Basically, all CCs that do not deal damage are being changed to act like Sap.

Kommentar von 3xploit

Ever notice that mages, shamans, hunters, and possibly anyone else who can CC finds the visible effects the swirl above your target's head a little too subtle? As I'm sure many Ret pallys have gotten their targets frozen or polymorphed after casting repentance...

Kommentar von deatheater7551

Here is a fun trick to use with this:

If you cast Repentance on the target, don't attack. Wait for them to pop their PvP trinket out of it and then HoJ. Now they cannot free themselves from the stun and you can whack away.

No PvP trinket fo' U!

Kommentar von Thottbot

Does it work on human players in PVP mode?

Kommentar von Thottbot

I totally agree with kibo, I am planning on speccing on prot and using this skill as well as I can see that this skill gives u 2 stuns per minute not just 1 and the ability to heal up any time :)

And prot is really an overlooked tree - just look at Imp. DEV aura and Toughness that give great extra armor, and Reckoning and repentance that allow u to heal several times oer minute without beinb interrupted, unless ur opponent has insugnia...then u use repentance....

AND Imp. Blessing of freedom, use it against hunters and mages and u will see why this tree kixks more but than the other 2, seriuosly - try it, I amgona respec to prot and se how it works and I have no doubt I will be pleased ^^

Kommentar von Thottbot

Hi,

I use it very often in PvP. Its range is longer than the HoJ and uses diferent timer so I use it to get into combat range. If the enemy tries to run again then HoJ.

I tried stun-lock a mob while killing the other but the timers are too long and both skills (Rep, HoJ) fade too fast.

Regards,

Zav

Kommentar von Thottbot

Whenever i use this in PvP (which is often) i have never seen insignia being used on it, and im sure ppl have tried it, so this is REALLY useful for getting in one quick heal.

Kommentar von Thottbot

i find the rep-HoJ semi stunlock pretty usefull 4 some extra SoC judgements but u kinda need something like 11+/x/31+
have sanctity aura and SotC up before this (bonus points if vengeance procs :)
cast SoC. if ur target doesn't seem to want to flee (full health, melee class that sorta things) or there r more targets also cast consecration before SoC.
as soon as u can, HoJ and judge SoC. Refresh SoC and u'll prolly get to attack once-twice after this
cast repetance, judge SoC as soon as it lights up and refresh it
this is pretty unreliable cause ppl can trinket out of stuns but u can hurry up with the repent and usually u get the judgements before they break them anyway
now u spent about 600mana (consecrate not included) and did about 800 certain unmitigated dmg + whatever SoC procs or melee strikes u got lucky with AND stunlocked ur target for about 3-9 secs (3 if the target used a trinket)
if u had cast consecrate before the HoJ it would prolly get all tics and not break rep early which means an extra 400 if fighting one target (so mana inefficient against one ...)
what do u say?

Kommentar von Thottbot

Will of the Forsaken breaks this I think...

Kommentar von Thottbot

No, it doesn't. It doesn't work on incapacitation. I easily forget that it doesn't. It only works against fear, charm, and stun (can't remember if it's stun, though). I know it doesn't work cause earlier on today while I was playing I was sapped by a rogue and I couldn't WotF out of it.

Kommentar von Thottbot

1. Hammer of Justice has a 10 yard range
2. Repentance has a 20 yard range
3. Hammer of Wrath has a long 30 yard range

These ranges are not random, use each ability appropriately and you will see the benefits of each skill.

{Your strongest defense is not to be surprised}

Kommentar von Thottbot

My strategy for battlegrounds/world pvp is to first throw a stun grenade, then run ip, get in first hit, hammer of justice, get in second and possibly third hit, then repentance, fourth hit. At that point theyre boned because youve already nearly killed them, and theyve been stunned the entire time.

Kommentar von Thottbot

Has someone ever made the comparaison?

REPENTANCE
= WAY lower mana cost - 60 mana? oh oh
= Almost IDENTICAL DAMAGE dealt with Judgement of Command and the bonus to damage due to the incapacitate effect
= + RANGED INCAPACITATE = so many uses

HOLY SHOCK
= Instant Heal but EXTREM mana cost.
THIS should even not be the use of a SHOCK.
But come a few patches, and then Holy Paladins are relegated to pure support even in their offensive tools, although it was promised it would have never been the case - THIS, is important.

WHICH GIVES
By evidence repentance is the winner by a large margin. Has someone never seen this? Ready to argue against that?

Additional note: Not only on Repentance but Retribution paladins have overall a better talent tree.
If memory serves, this has always been the case.

Kommentar von Thottbot

However in the next minor patch this will be dispellable by the PvP trinket along with stuns, blinds, fears or whatever.

Kommentar von Thottbot

Honorable to kill someone when they are repenting, hoohoo = =

Kommentar von Thottbot

Im a ret spec pally and this talent is PRICELESS in pvp/pve
One thing pallys lack in is spell disruptions. We only have our 6 sec stun (which is awesome but suck with the 1m cooldown)
however while fighing any spellcasters try casting repentance midway through their cast, it interupts, costs them mana and set you up for a judgement on SoC.

At first i though this was a crap spell but got it anyway cuz i wanted fanaticism now i use it on all spellcaster mobs first (cheap cost) and when/of they try to run just stunn them for the finish. A+ spell. (kinda useless on meele unless u need to heal or proc the SoC judgment

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Ok, I don't get this skill I guess. Can it be used on multiple enemies? Is there a cooldown? Can I recast it to keep one enemy from ever attacking?

Kommentar von Allakhazam

this spell is only attainable through the ret talent tree and only work on world creature humaniods and not other players.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

cool down is a long min ... not that great for only 6 sec. :(

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Yeah, what's the cooldown? That is a hugely important bit of informaiton that's missing.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

I'm thinking this could be used as a Pally's "poor-man" version of polymorph to take care of adds while engaging another mob. Maybe the duration get's better with higher ranks like all the other talent-exclusive spells.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

From what I've read, the value of this is: if you've already chosen to get Holy Shield, you may want to consider getting this, too. Why? If you pvp a lot it is a second stun to use at the end of the fight when the target is about to flee.

The argument I read is that you save up as much firepower as you can for the end when the enemy turns to flee. Stun, judge a damage-doing seal - throw a bomb if yer an engi timed to do it's 2 second stun as your first stun ends - then if target is still alive do THIS stun and whack-a-mole. You should be able to kill at this point.

Never tried it, my pal is still under 20. But this is the value of this from what I've read. Is it worth it? I guess it is if you constantly get people running from you in pvp and you want to kill.

Of course having a second stun is useful in other circumstances, obviously - like if you need to run, like to stop the target from healing self, etc.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

where is this spell i havent found it in talents

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Compare this talent to a rogue's Gouge skill. You use this to set up your opponent for a powerful attack or to run away while your opponent is unable to follow.

Thing with paladins is, however, we don't get any abilities that are much more powerful than another. Best way I can see to use this skill is to throw on a quick bandage while your opponent can't attack and even get back a couple ticks of mana while you are at it.

If this ability were just 2-4 seconds longer then people would REALLY gripe about paladins.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Okay let's clear some things out as all these posts are OLD!

First
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You CAN cast this on other players (you know players are humanoids too! OH MY GODZILLA)

Second
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This is mainly used to:
1- Interrupt a caster that thinks it's an easy heal now that Hammer of Justice is out.

2- Make another double damage Judgement of Command (Yes, it also triggers the double damage)

3- Block this one dude on his epic mount running to Stormpike GY in AV. (It has extended range, a few yards more than Hammer of Justice)

Lastly
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Do not think about using a stun/concecration/judge SoC combo with this thing, this a 6 seconds GOUGE, Damage = taking it out.

Thank you.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

It should be mentioned that Will of the Forsaken, the Undead raciel, does not Remove Repentance. Some paladins disregard this talent saying they'll just use WotF to drop it any(Repentence is a sleep effect), but the Raciel does not remove this ability. The only way to remove this debuff other then it wearing off, is for the target to be damaged or dispelled.

I don't know if the same is true for Stoneform, but since Dwarves are on your team, it shouldn't be a concern.(Raciel says, removes sleep, but since WotF doesn't, I doubt it would)

Kommentar von Allakhazam

This is a 31 point talent in the Ret tree, meaning you can't get this until level 40 at the earliest.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

This spell is also used my the Maiden of Virture in Karazhan, lasts about 12 seconds, i think that Druids in Tree of Life form are immune to it

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