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Kommentar von huyche

So, according to an old mmo-champ post, "Item - Icecrown 25 Emblem Healer Trinket - Your spell casts have a chance to grant 100 mana per 5 sec for until cancelled", does this mean that the trinket was buffed, or that with the higher mp5 now it will have a 45 ICD? The latter making it worse than heroic Solace.

Kommentar von alfonzzo

Assuming 1 ppm, the proc works out to 76 mp5 (304 * 3 / 12)

Compared to the 245 Solace of the defeated, even though this is 19 ilvl's higher, it gives
+29 spell power
-52 mp/5

~~The trend of bad trinket itemization continues...~~

Edit: updated finally to reflect sp upgrade.
This is arguably better now since the value of mana regen is much less than SP for most fights.

Kommentar von Rebecca191

Is it just me or does this trinket seem kind of underbudget? Perhaps they purposely itemized it badly because it's a badge item, but the spellpower + regen increase seems rather low for the amount of ilevels this trinket has over other similar trinkets.

Kommentar von 125795

45sec internal CD, like similar trinkets, and with druids 1 sec gcd instead of 1.5sec cd. It would proc every 55sec on average. Thats ~1.1 ppm, but since its on spellcast, not spellheal. And most likely a drood wont spam 10 spellcasts within those 10sec after the internal CD is up. So lets say 1ppm.

304*3=912mana per 60sec=76mp5

In a 1min 30sec fight, this will proc at the start of the fight, and again after internal CD is up.
912*2mana per 90sec ~= 101mp5

In a 2min 30sec fight, this will proc at the start of the fight, and again after internal CD is up, and once more.
912*3mana per 150sec ~= 91mp5

In a 3min 30sec fight, this will proc at the start of the fight, and again after internal CD is up, and twice more.
912*4mana per 210sec ~= 87mp5

..well, you get the point. The faster the fight, the better mp5 this gives.
~76-87mp5 on bossfights
~76-101mp5 on trash

So, let me ask you this; When do you need mp5 the most? ;)
I need it on bossfights, therefore 76mp5 would be the right number to evaluate this trinket from.

Edit: Please dont rate down because of one word, when the rest is insightful/relevant.

Kommentar von 125795

3.3 patch heal trinkets by mp5:
138 mp5 Ephemeral Snowflake +2.4% haste
76-101 mp5 Purified Lunar Dust 153 spellpower
66-87 mp5 Sliver of Pure Ice 158 spellpower
67 mp5 Althor's Abacus 179 spellpower
0 mp5 Nevermelting Ice Crystal +111 spellpower +2.2% crit

3.3 patch heal trinkets by spellpower:
179 spellpower Althor's Abacus +67 mp5
158 spellpower Sliver of Pure Ice +66-87 mp5
153 spellpower Purified Lunar Dust +76-101 mp5
111 spellpower Nevermelting Ice Crystal +2.2% crit
0 spellpower Ephemeral Snowflake +138 mp5 +2.4% haste

Kommentar von 125795

Bonez0r: "at best" since 1sec gcd is better then 1.5sec gcd. But kk, will changed it to "proc every 55 sec on average".
..and about 1sec gcd, here is why:

Tested with Gift of the Earthmother and Celestial Focus 12/12-09(3.3 patch) and a macro:
/cast Thorns
/script local start, duration, enable = GetActionCooldown(4);DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage(duration);

623 haste rating = 1.001sec GCD on Lifebloom, and 1.112sec GCD on the rest.
633 haste rating = 1sec GCD on Lifebloom, and 1.109sec GCD on the rest.
1053 haste rating = 1.002sec GCD on all spells(except lifebloom ofc).
1058 haste rating = 1sec GCD on all spells.
So, haste cap on all spells is 1053-1058, but on lifebloom its 623-633 with Gift of the Earthmother and Celestial Focus

But with Wrath of Air Totem(5%) + Improved Moonkin Form/Swift Retribution(3%) the cap will be lower.
So haste is good for a druid, most casts is instant, so we want to get gcd down. Thats why I did the numbers with 1sec gcd, since thats what most druids try to achieve.
Haste "buffs" for a druid in raids: Gift of the Earthmother(10%) + Celestial Focus(3%) + Wrath of Air Totem(5%) + Improved Moonkin Form/Swift Retribution(3%)

1% haste=32.79 haste rating

Kommentar von CoroHD

Je'Tze's Bell on steriods

Kommentar von 111007

Horribly itemized...
compare the spellpower:ilvl to
https://www.cuckhead.com/cata/item=45535
https://www.cuckhead.com/cata/item=47059
https://www.cuckhead.com/cata/item=50359

Conclusion: it's missing 26 Spellpower, no small chunk.

Kommentar von 425082

Cycle:
10 Seconds to Proc (Averaging as it could proc before even if they don't cast 10 spells in a row: it doesn't proc after 10 spellcasts, it has a 10% CHANCE to proc)
15 Seconds the trinket is active, returning 912 mana
30 Seconds the trinket is inactive

55 Seconds: 912 mana returned /11 = 83 MP5 (in bursts, of course)

That is the worst possible MP5 this trinket could have.

But, it depends on chance really.

Let's use this "cycle" above on a 5 minute (300 second) boss fight.

5 "Cycles" is 275 Seconds with 4560 mana returned, or 83 MP5, as said above.

If the fight ends here, it gives an average 83 MP5 depending on how lucky you are with the proc rate.

But, if the fight goes on for another 25 seconds, it returns another 912 mana, making its MP5 value rise to 91 for the entire fight.

If the fight is shorter, it could average even more MP5: up to a possible 110 on a 2 minute fight.

Which, is still pretty bad compared to Solace.

Kommentar von 514665

Compared with this and Spark of Hope, which is better for a holy priest? think the spark of hope gives more mp5 and the cost of this trinket can be well put into a new t10. Thanks

Kommentar von Bandyto

Does the proc stack with the proc of Sif's Remembrance?

Kommentar von 57105

Kinda wish I would have saved the emblems for something more useful... /facepalm

Kommentar von 124900

If you look at www.cuckhead.com/cata/item=45929 and https://www.cuckhead.com/cata/item=45466, it's clear same ilvl trinkets don't always have the same SP and nobody complains Sif's Remembrance is a worse trinket due to the lack of SP.

I guess maybe the issue of our calculation is to assume the 45s internal CD, but I remember the only limit of this "on proc mana regen" style is the 10% proc rate. If it does have no internal CD, the mana regen should be higher than we calculated and favor those haste-capped healers.

Kommentar von 492465

For those of you interested in real numbers, I "rented" the trinket last night on my resto shaman and evaluated the log results from a few 10-man boss fights. Note that uptime here means the percentage of the fight that I had the 304mp5 buff active.

Marrowgar: 23.4% uptime = 71 mp5
Deathwhisper: 19.8% uptime = 60 mp5
Saurfang: 22.1% uptime = 67 mp5
Festergut: 24.2% uptime = 74 mp5

Average: 68mp5

As you can guess from the fights and uptime numbers, more spammy healing fights will push the mp5 value of this trinket up slightly. All the above bosses were two-healed with a disc priest.

Armory Link

EDIT:

I suppose I should add a conclusion: this trinket has an ICD. for the fight with the highest uptime (Festergut), the PPM is 1.03, and if you look at my armory, you can see I have enough haste to be proccing this trinket nearly as often as it can.

Kommentar von 208225

Blue Post saying that this item is 22 spell power under budget and will be upped:

Ghostcrawler

Kommentar von DrSlump

It is now 179 spell power after 3.3.2 fixes.

Kommentar von aussiebeerfan

New live stats:

Purified Lunar Dust
Binds when picked up
Unique
Trinket
Requires Level 80
Item Level 264
Equip: Increases spell power by 179.
Equip: Your spell casts have a chance to grant 304 mana per 5 sec for 15 sec.

Kommentar von 515845

Any more comments since this thing got buffed? I'm still not sure if it's worth it.

Kommentar von Nahin

Marrowgar: 23.4% uptime = 71 mp5
Deathwhisper: 19.8% uptime = 60 mp5
Saurfang: 22.1% uptime = 67 mp5
Festergut: 24.2% uptime = 74 mp5

Average: 68mp5

Let's say that you get 68mp5 from this trinket.
Thats 816mana / minute... (68*(60/5))
If a boss encounter goes on for say 5 minutes thats 4080mana.

Holy light costs atleast 1000mana, that adds upp to 4 extra holy light casts per fight.

Is the trinket worth it? Is my math correct? Yes/no?

EDIT: This is ofc a speculation of relative data. Longer fights gives more mana, more procs gives more mana etc.

Kommentar von celebiwolf

Best possible condition.

If it procs as soon as the fight starts and every time it is available again.
Based on a 5 Minute Boss fight (cause normally if your not done by then you go into berserk)

300 Seconds in 5 mins
270 seconds will be spent on the ICD (Internal Cool Down)
7 Procs

For every proc you get:
60.8 Mana Per Second for 15 seconds
304 MP5 for 15 Seconds
912 Overall Mana

1824 after 2 Procs
2736 after 3 Procs
3648 after 4 Procs
4560 after 5 Procs
5472 after 6 Procs

Overall after 7 Procs:
60.8 Mana Per Second for 105 Seconds
304 MP5 for 105 Seconds
6384 Overall Mana

Overall for a 5 Minute Fight (Remember this is the best possible Results and I doubt anyone would get these or has gotten these)

21.28 Mana Per Second
106.4 MP5

Most people are getting 65 - 80 MP5 average.

Kommentar von Ketho

Purified Lunar Dust procs the Revitalized effect

Kommentar von 138940

Does this trinket share other cooldowns with other proc's? I.E. the ashen verdict ring's proc rate ?

Kommentar von 206160

Thanks God it is on 'spell cast', not 'your healing spells' or something.
means I could use it for my Resto, and Ele spec. (though Ele hardly have a mana issue, the SP on this is huge, for someone who don't raid every night...)

Kommentar von 142421

No-one seems to mention this trinkets possible use for pvp? Is the mp5 buff dispellable? I am wondering if this is better than the Battlemaster's Ruination trinket. Ok, you don't have a 3 minute healthstone option with it, but you get a lot of mana, which will be useful in the mana wars for 2's and 3's in arena, and a little more spellpower. What do other people think?

Kommentar von 44382

Here's a thought.

This is good for arcane mages.

Ok, laugh it up.. go on... laugh more :)

I will now explain (in the hope that I will get a sensible correction)

Tradition has it that arcane mages don't have a mana problem... especially if they have 2*T10 and are doing a reactive rotation to maximize the haste buff (ie hit arcane missiles every time missile barrage procs to get the 2*T10 bonus to proc for the next 2 or 3 spells), and have the kind of iLvl 250+ mana pool that you can get with the gear around at the moment. My mage has 34k raid buffed at the moment. Which is quite a bit, but I have seen many mages with more than that.

But Incanter's Absorption now only works with our own shields. Mana shield is seen as too inefficient to be used to get the IA spell power buff, but if you have a mountain of mana... who gives a toss about efficiency?

Ok - so,
For an arcane mage, assuming 68 mp5 you will get 4K mana in a 5 minute fight.

IA returns 15% of damage shielded
Mana shield (untalented) returns 2666 of damage absorbed from 4k of mana
0.15 * 2666 = 400
400 /4 = 100

Why /4?

because we get 400 sp from this trinket for 10 seconds over all. On use trinkets proc for 20 seconds every 2 minutes -or twice in a 5 min fight, so make 10s = 20s and spread it out twice..

So with a bit of squinting and a bit of a push this has a proc of +100 sp for 20 secs every 2 minutes.

It's not quite equivalent to that, to be honest, because you are not going to be able to choose to do it when you want, but on the other hand you can pop your manashield and not die, which is prime objective number 1, and then wack the crap out of whatever boss you are fighting, which is good.

Also if you are running out of mana you could just keep the mana and use it for spells and stuff...

Anyway, loads of fights have aoe damage, healers have trouble healing everyone, lightening the load on the healers is good, doing big numbers is good...

I think that this trinket is all win.

Kommentar von 111622

Holy Priest, this did about 4% of my total mana regeneration from Vault25.

Kommentar von Siedjeey

So, after reading the above comments I'm still kinda confused...
Which one is the best for a Holy Paladin?
-Solace of The Fallen
-Sliver of Pure Ice
-Purified Lunar Dust

Any help?

Kommentar von 610680

I recently got the Lunar Dust. I will say I do like it better then the Sliver of Pure Ice (which I had for a while), altho both are nice. As a Holy Pally I have the Lunar Dust as one trinket & the Talisman of Resurgance as the other one. The mana regen seems to proc quite often on the Lunar Dust.

Kommentar von monotone2k

The one downside to this proccing on spellcasts, not on heals / damaging hits is that even trivial stuff like dropping totems can proc the effect.

I noticed this (to my dismay) on my first run while having this equipped: the proc triggered on every wave in the Lich King encounter as we stood our ground and I dropped totems - giving me the mp5 effect whilst already at 100% mana... D'OH!

Kommentar von 483682

Compared to Solace of the Fallen/Defeated heroic
(If my calculations are correct, which they probably aren't)

Assuming 1.1 ppm on lunar,

Purified Lunar Dust: 82.9 mp5

Solace of the Defeated/Fallen: 116.31 mp5

Purified Lunar Dust: 11 more SP

Solace: 33.41 more mp5

If the maths is wrong, downrate!

Kommentar von deepzz

im wondering i am a preist ingame and i wanted to know if solace and lunar dust stack or weather they cancel each other out before i buy lunar

i already have sollace

Kommentar von 327123

Int and Spirit? ...please, give us a break.

Kommentar von JaxOh1

As of 4.0, This now gives Spirit instead of MP5. With Ele Shams, Boomkins, and Shadow Priest getting Hit from talents, how viable is this on those? What about a Restro sham/tree who wants to activate some of their new Dps-while-healing talents?

Kommentar von AusSpyder

as of 4.0.1 this trinket is exceptionally awesome, though still better for healers.

This trinket gives 153 Spellpower and ~1660 int. + some critThe proc is worth ~410 MP/5 out of combat, which makes this one of if not the best caster and healer trinket that you can get without raiding

Kommentar von Arannia

Decent trinket for all healers Post 4.0.1 now.

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