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Kommentar von 142435

These seem rather lackluster considering it has about the same DPS as Stronghold Battlemace. The plate armor is lacking stats as well. Most likely placeholders, or Blizzard simply doesn't feel like revealing WoTLK purples just yet :)

Kommentar von Nephili

Compared to the screenshot up on mmo-champion - http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2008/august/titansteelbonecrusher.jpg - this seems to be missing the AP component that somewhat makes up for the low DPS.

Kommentar von Corbon

The DPS on this weapon is way too low for its item level. Just compare it to https://www.cuckhead.com/cata/item=41257 which seems to have correc stats.

Just compare a S4 two-hand (140 DPS) with a S4 one-hand (108 DPS). Ratio is roughly 1.3 and looking at the above linked two-hander, this mace should have around 140-145 DPS. It's also clearly intended for damage dealers as the speed implies.

Edit: Got updated. And some retard is on a downrating spree again.

Kommentar von MonkH

possibly a good paladin tanking weapon since paladins dont need rage and also they changing itemastion for paladins.
im thinkin they may start to using warrior like tanking weapons
(see new final point talent based on weapon dmg so slower weapons will help this)

Kommentar von 137338

140 AP on a main hand? is this what we will be coming to see in Wotlk?

Kommentar von 201302

Much better than any 1-Handed Tanking wepaon in TBC. Especially, I was using Blazefury and Mallet Of The Tides for tanking. Its much better than these really... I would like to see Wepaonsmith wepaons aswell...

Edit: Warrior Tanks should not miss Attack Power/Str in WotLK. This changes your threat smoothly.

Kommentar von YujiTFD

Looks like not bad main for Enhancement shamans as well.
Not awared of end-WotLK weapon for shamans, but looks like BS, at last, getting somehow profitable :)

Kommentar von 204762

this actually looks a decent tanking weapon for DK's seeing as their abilities scale with attack power and pretty nice stam and expertise on it.

luckily is BoE so your not forced to have BS to have it

Kommentar von jubs916

wow amazing a epic weapon that doesn't require primals to make lol, but no this will be awesome, i might end up making one of these from my off-tank set or even as one of my Fury weapons

Kommentar von 51248

looking at this makes me tempted to drop blacksmithing as a mace rogue.

Kommentar von 142040

Hopefully this is not final and there will also be craftable epic swords, just like in TBC, though i sincerely wish at the time WOTLK comes out all the available stuff will be known, so i can decide whether i take up BS or ENGI on my rogue, along with LW.

Kommentar von 194507

I'd walk over corpses atm to Stormstrike someone with this :(

Kommentar von Larsson

As a miner it took me a minimum of 6 days to gather the mats for this, granted I didn't buy the Titansteel off the AH, I got my Frozen orbs off AH for 300g each (2 of them), so in the end this mace cost me 600g and 6 days of smelting Titansteel, so far I've been very happy with it and I'm dishing out 1.2k white crits as a rogue with 2100 AP, I recommend crafting this weapon if you're looking for a nice upgrade after just dinging 80.

Kommentar von 219207

how is this for tanking?

Kommentar von Extrawesome

Material Breakout for Titansteel Bonecrusher -

6x Saronite Bar (Smelt Saronite)

12x Saronite Ore

6x Titansteel Bar (Smelt Titansteel)

18x Titanium Bar (36x Titanium Ore) - (Smelt Titanium)*see note at bottom
6x Eternal Fire (60x
Crystallized Fire)
6x Eternal Earth (60x Crystallized Earth)
6x Eternal Shadow (60x Crystallized Shadow)

2x Frozen Orb

---------------------------------
Farmers Shopping List - Without Titanium Bar Transmute (No Alchemist Required)
2x Frozen Orb
12x Saronite Ore
36x Titanium Ore <-- The Pain
60x Crystallized Fire
60x Crystallized Earth
60x Crystallized Shadow
---------------------------------

*TRANSMUTE TITANIUM ALTERNATIVE: The other alternative to obtaining the 18x Titanium Bars needed for the 6x Titansteel Bar is by Transmute:Titanium 18 times. NOTE: 3.0.8 changed this transmute to require only 8x Saronite Bars! BONUS!
(Shopping list for ONE TRANSMUTE below)

8x Saronite Bars - (16x Saronite Ore (18 Transmutes = 288x Saronite Ore))
to get 1x Titanium Bar. (Remember you have to do this 18 times)

The following is the Farming list for those not patient enough to hunt down the Titanium ore... I'm not gonna lie though, titanium is a pain in the butt to farm :)

Farmers Shopping List With Titanium Bar Transmute (Alchemists Required)
2x Frozen Orb
60x Crystallized Fire
60x Crystallized Earth
60x Crystallized Shadow
300x Saronite Ore
---------------------------------

Basically you can either gather 36x Titanium Ore (2 stacks) or 288x Saronite Ore (15 stacks) (the cobalt and crystallized life are trivial imo.) and don't forget the 18 alchemists you have to buy off. ;)

Hope this helps GOOD LUCK GUYS!

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Kommentar von durenas

It's not bad for paladins, vengeance stacking might be a tad slower, but not enough to make a difference. The DPS is amazing and will really benefit hammer of the righteous, and the straight AP helps for our spell coefficients. It's a hammer so dwarf paladins(such as myself!) will appreciate the use of our racial, as well as the expertise on the weapon. It's got a buttload of stamina so, this will be the mace I will be grinding for, in preparation for naxx.

Kommentar von 204036

Well actually, they don't turn AP into SP but Stam into SP. I might suggest as a Prot pally to take the https://www.cuckhead.com/cata/item=41384]Seeing how SP will help most spells and the stam will turn into SP.

Kommentar von Contradiktionz

Too slow for warrior tanking

This may have been true in the past, but Warriors are no longer forced to only use fast weapons for tanking. Rage is never a problem anymore, especially with the new Blessing of Sanctuary. Heroic Strike and Devastate both benefit more from a slow weapon, and TPS skyrockets. Really, the only reason Warriors were pigeon-holed into fast weapons were rage issues that should no longer be a problem. So, please, don't restrict yourself to worse weapons with faster speeds.

Kommentar von Yumeijin

I dont think the Bonecrusher does more threat then the Guardian , but if you like big https://www.cuckhead.com/cata/spell=53595 crits, and you dont care wich weapon does more threat, and is more useful, the Bonecrusher is the way to go.

As of the last passes to Prot Pally seal/judgement coefficients, I'm fairly certain it's been shown that this weapon has indeed stolen the throne as far as which of the two produce more TPS.

So, this weapon will out TPS the Titansteel Guardian for 3 targets or less, with the Guardian providing more TPS on 4+ targets, which relegates the Guardian to the same fate as any Spellpower weapon for a Protection Paladin: AoE and Healing.

Kommentar von 174550

what would be better for a DK: Betrayer of Humanity or DW Titansteel Bonecrusher and Split Greathammer? and why?

thanks

Kommentar von Kupotek

Little fast for a rogue mainhand.

Kommentar von bithalver

As a melee shaman, I am using this weapon in the last 9 days (from the very first moment I hit lvl80).

I can say, it is extremely good. OK, no hit, crit, haste in it, BUT the 140 AP is very good in one weapon, and the 29 Expertise rating is godly (as shamans do not get expertise from talents).

Too bad it is MH and Uniqe-Equipped only.

Until I got Calamity's Grasp form Kel'Thuzad HC, I will not replace it for any other weapon.

59 STA is also not bad.

Kommentar von 42886

...now that rage isn't a problem anymore. The slower weapons, the higher devastate hits, which results in higher threat.

...for Devastate in itself, yes. You will get fewer Heroic strikes or Cleaves though which will generate less threat (yes, they will hit for more on each hit, but the fixed damage bonus will result in a net loss against a faster weapon of equal dps). In a high-rage situation you will want to spam HS/Cleave constantly and would prefer a fast weapon.

That said, the selection of fast weapons providing the same amount of dps is limited pre-raiding. I know I want one of these ;).

Kommentar von 146899

FINALLY a shaman posts. I figured it looked great for my shaman, but wasn't quite sure. thanks for the input.

Kommentar von 239112

What's the point making it uniqe-equipped when it's a main-hand weapon?

Kommentar von 161692

Damn. I was planning on dual wielding these on my shaman =(

Kommentar von 180444

Use this as my Shaman's main hand with Pride offhand. I'm enjoying it so far.

To answer the "why MH only?", I have to guess it is so Mace Rogues and Enh. Shamans aren't set at 80 with 2 item lvl. 200 weapons. This is equal to heroic epics and badge epics so I'm happy just getting one so I don't have to farm heroic Strat for Greed.

Kommentar von factionz

With Killing Machine being nerfed to roughly 5 ppm in 3.0.8, this is now one of the better entry-level weapons for DW DPS dks, with slow/fast now being preferred over fast/fast.

Kommentar von 111929

With just last patch, to transmute titanium (alchemy) takes 8 saronite bars now.

Kommentar von epicdeath

I use this on my rogue, alongside Avool`s Sword of Jin as off-hand. Slapped on mongoose on both. Gives nice 7000-8000 dm crits as combat spec - so don`t nodd off this baby as a nice pre raid main hand for rogues.

Kommentar von 316508

Surprised no rogue post, I just had my war make one of these for my rogue. Should be good to get his foot in the door raiding and started in pvp. The armor reduction is pretty substantial, its finding a decent OH mace that will be pain. Will give combat mace a whirl until I pick up a couple decent swords from Naxx. Any other rogues use this weapon wanna comment?

Kommentar von mystyfan

I have this as a mh for my rogue. Thanks to the person above me giving some oh suggestions, as I am in the same boat. I currently hate the oh's I have, of which I have to chose from my lv 74 cobalt slicer sword, that librarians paper cuter or the huge @ss blue mace I got as a reward from a chain quest.

I hardly EVER see any lvl 80 swords on my server on ah, so I wondered for the longest time if boe blue/epic 80 swords even existed. lol

Kommentar von 332401

Anyone try this out with Warrior Prot PvP? I'm curious how it would do because it has similar damage to the deadly gladiator's pummeler and the stamina is nice.

Kommentar von nomdeplum

I tank (prot war) with this, but am anxiously waiting to get the red sword of courage. I occaisionally run into rage problems, but I have learned to adjust to those situations. It's not optimal for tanking, but it works. I currently avg 1200 dps in heroics, so I know I have room for improvement, and replacing this would be one area to do that.

Kommentar von 138937

Nothing special but i noticed the ring on the bottom always faces you, like portals. Found it kinda odd when i saw it.

Kommentar von NightmareMJ

mats wise this would run you a little less than 600g on my server =D

Kommentar von 355930

one of my chars is a prot warrior, and i use him for pvp, the purpose is obvious, anti-melee (ret paladins, blood dks, warriors, rogues, feral druids).

once u achieve the max lvl and u get end-game stuff, u can drop the threat-generating talents and get damage-boosting stuff, making ur general damage and performance a lil better...

heres a problem i had, i was using a fast weapon with high dps, the speed was very good for tanking, but it was a nightmare for pvp, since the rage generation was preety low, making some stuff unavailable to use in the short term, i had to melee a lot to get enough rage and do my thing..

the solution? a slow weapon, the "muramasa" sword from SWP did the trick, from that moment i got very good defense and very nice rage generation at every moment.

now, with WOTLK AP is helping in the block rating so another good reason to get this sweet mace.

err, sorry, its not AP that helps with the block, its the strength

Kommentar von 404944

I agree that this is a very good weapon for Enhncement Shamans. I've been doing my share of research on this before I spend the time or gold on this weapon.

The AP is the best I've seen for getting your DPS up to get into some of those bigger instances for that other gear.

The Expertise is a plus because like bithalver said,

29 Expertise rating is godly (as shamans do not get expertise from talents).

For the Shaman class I have found Expertise is better for us then HR because of the lack of ability for an NPC to dodge or parry.

1 Expertise = 0.25% for NPC to Dodge or Parry
214 is our max Expertise rating

http://elitistjerks.com/f47/t20765-shaman_enhancement/#Expertise_Rating

This I imagine will be tough if impossible to reach but the thought helps me think I'm getting somewhere.

Please rate this up if it was a help to anyone.

Kommentar von 125795

EJ - Paladin Field Manual

# The Dwarf racial bonus gives +5 expertise when using maces (-1.25% dodge and -1.25% parry). This bonus is worth approximately 41 points of expertise rating.
# Expertise will affect normal (white) melee attacks as well as Hammer of the Righteous (a parry is reported as "Deflect").
# Expertise will not affect Shield of Righteousness, Righteous Defense, Avenger's Shield, or Jud gem ents, because these cannot be parried or deflected.
# Since parries by bosses hasten their next attack (by ~40%), expertise can be useful for reducing this effect and preventing damage spikes.
# 8.10 expertise rating = +1 expertise = -0.25% dodge and -0.25% parry for your attacks.

Titansteel Bonecrusher

Speed 2.50
+59 Stamina
+140AP
+29 expertise rating(3.54 @ L80)

Red Sword of Courage

Speed 1.60
+58 Stamina
+25 Strength (= +57.25AP and +16.25 block value, with talents)
+38 defense rating(7.73% @ L80)
+26 hit rating(0.79% @ L80)

Speed on this mace is slow, making bosses parry less.
Here is my question. Wouldnt this mace be better for a dwarf tank if the dwarf is def capped?

(8.54 expertise = -2.135% dodge and -2.135% parry = 4.27% more chance of hitting the boss with white attacks and Hammer of the Righteous)

Edit: Glyph of Seal of Vengeance gives 10 expertise = -2.5% dodge AND -2.5% parry
As a dwarf and with this mace, you get -4.635% dodge(cap against L83 is 5.6%) AND -4.635%parry(cap against L83 is 10.6%). Thats almost 10%more dmg with this glyph and this mace, AND 4.6%less spike dmg

Edit 2: I just realized I have Horn-Tipped Gauntlets, and with Glyph of Seal of Vengeance I have -6% dodge AND -6% parry, so I dont need to consider this mace anymore. But I will leave my question open for others. :)

Edit 3: Ye, I'm a noob, us paladins get +6 expertise from Combat Expertise aswell.

Kommentar von 412856

the ring on the end of it moves with the camera. seems kinda weird, or am i the only one who's noticed?

Kommentar von 329518

This wep is not bad for pvp prot pallys most pvp prot pallys start out with this as the high ap = alot more dmg as the spells scale with ap stam is always good it is slow and hits high and expertise is a bonus :D

Kommentar von Allakhazam

With this bruiser, you'll be trailing wisps of bone dust everywhere you go. I thought my poor gryphon had dragged his tailfeathers through the campfire, but no - those contrails are the mace . . . ^_^

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