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评论来自
8903
Great spell, with the talent you add 15% armor, great for MT.
评论来自
loozerr
Not usable in arena.
评论来自
48977
This skill may appear to bad. All your mana to restore all of a players hp and 500 mana back to you. That barely leaves you with anything. But if you think outside the box, this skill is extremely good. Paladins should have a blast with this skill. If in a group and it's the paladins job to heal everyone this skill will come in handy in tight situations.
Say you use up all your mana healing the group or yourself. If i have to be the healer in the group i usually use Flash of Light as soon as damage is given to my party. This is very mana efficient and lets me perserve my Lay on Hands as long as possible. One that my mana is almost nothing i use Gift of the Naaru on the person with lowest health. But at if at any point one of my group friends or I am about to die, I can cast Lay On Hands, which will take up all the mana I have left (almost nothing at this point, maybe less than 100 mana), heal my friend/me to full hp, and give me 500 mana back.
I only use this skill in emergancies though, because of it's 1 hour cooldown.
评论来自
78731
This is a very usefull spell to have. Even if you only have 1 Mana left, you can cast Lay on Hands to heal you and save that 10% durability since it doesnt take any mana to cast.
But dont become too reliant on it cause if you dont watch it, you may be in the cooldown time when times are dire.
评论来自
Devin
Let's say everyone but you has died in a boss fight. You pop Divine Shield and try to burst damage as much as possible. After shield expires and you take one or two hits, pop Lay on Hands. With the 900 mana it returns try to burst a little more...
It seems in this kind of situations a paladin tank has almost 20 seconds to finish the job on his/her own. It's totally awesome imo.
评论来自
cheesepizza
can other paladins gain mana from this heal? if so that'd be pretty cool
评论来自
125904
um, all of YOUR max hp.
lets say a person with 3000 HP walks by and you have 1500 max hps, if they were at low health, youd restore 50%
评论来自
162006
The 1hr cooldown was excessive. It's still not usable in arenas, but if it were, it'd be OP.
Edit: LOL DOWNRANK
评论来自
152011
Does this spell require at least 1 mana to be used, or can you use it with a completely dry (0/x) mana pool?
评论来自
142038
This is hardly overpowered.
Chances are, that WotLK tanks have vastly more health than holy paladins (just as in the BC). This is an "oh sheit" button, which, talented, could make a difference.
I love the way that holy paladins are heading. Especially with druids having
Nourish
and
Flourish
, we need to have something unique that can define a paladin as a healer, since we won't be FoL'ing anymore.
评论来自
178943
I don't think it is gonna stay mana-free. For something this powerful, there has to be a cost of some sort, so it might not just be mana, they might have it require a reagent too.
评论来自
112924
Sheath of light? Anyone? If this crit in an "Amagaad that stupid tank pulled the whole room" or a "omg the tank is at 10% and we need one heal to down the boss but the healer is OOM" situation this along with a Crit and sheath of light can Shine.
评论来自
freethinker
as per patch 3.0.2, lay on hands don't require 100% mana to cast?
评论来自
178827
It would not be OK if it was useable in arenas. This practically brings a team member to full health usually, or anyway close to full health, and also restores some mana for him/her to use enough abilities to cause some damage. This would mean that a particularly doomed member (that is just about to be killed) is returned to almost 100% capacity instantly, without even costing mana for the paladin. Not at all arena-style. Especially if there are more pallies in a team. Also, if the opposing team lacks a Disc Priest (say in 2vs2), they might be forced to have to "kill" the paladin three times to outright kill him (first low health: Divine Shield + Holy Light until full health; second low health: Lay on Hands, bonus mana).
评论来自
123022
It seems that Blizzard has strated favorising Paladins in WotLK...Just think of it..They now own everyone(retadins i mean(well ofc not everyone BUT they are op in general)), they have divine shield so they are invincible for 14 secs and they have buffed LoH to not take mana but GIVE mana instead...and for me as a shaman i feel kind of abandoned,sure we hve some very nice spells like Bloodlust/Heroism and earth/fire elementals but Bloodlust doesnt give us full health and mana when we need it and 30% speed doesnt matter when you got 10% and they LoH and own you...And the elementals are just stationary so if you want them to be usefull in more than 1 encounter you have to pull them there adn if you put out fire elemental in AV you are the NO. 1 target of everyone...
so PLEASE! Stop buffing paladins!
评论来自
198510
Will this be useable in the arena?
评论来自
Skullhawk13
It has not cost in mana at all when ever i use it now, Handy for when you are about to die and can't bubble in time, or with the nerf to bubbles still handy.
评论来自
spartan2600
so #$%^ing cheap for pvp
评论来自
Hesten
T3 4-Set bonus, Glyph of Lay on Hands, Sheath of Light and Improved LoH would make this 4 minutes cooldown, which has a chance to crit and gives you 50% Armor and a ^&*!load of mana.
Why did I get downrated?
评论来自
URanu5
unless giving special circumstances.. i can only use LoH as a Holy Paladin as a mana battery, healing the tank with thing i would only use if he was down to below 10% hp.. i needed a instant heal on him cuz the boss is jus raping him thru every hole on his body (bear tanks have big holes i bet >_<) so i need him at least close to full hp quickly... tho really my HL can do just a bout the same healing when criting... just with a bit more time :/ so over all.. as a holy paly i dont see MANY aplications for it other than as a mana battery... but its a goo just incase button if someone flucks my self or the tank up...sry dps.. ur not worth my LoH! :P
BTW... the beacon of light then LoH combo wont work to well unless used on the offtank who has basically the same amount of hp missing as the mtank, cant heal who is already healed and if u heal a dps most likely they do not have as much hp as the tank..so ull over heal the dps person while underhealing the tank :/
评论来自
SavageFatBob
Due to the changes to this spell, glyphs, etc. my guildmate posted the following, I thought this community might find it interesting:
Lay on Hands
20 min CD
Glyph of Lay on Hands
-5 min
Improved Lay on Hands
-4 min
Redemption Armor
(T3)
4 pieces: -12 min
edit: second link for redemption armor:
https://www.cuckhead.com/cata/itemset=528
GG Spamming LoH in Arenas.
评论来自
firebolt145
PLEASE do NOT use this in duels. It's just...uncool. Bubbles during duels are already a bit iffy, and LoH is just worse.
评论来自
382193
As a paladin i think this spell is one of the reasons we can't evolve in pvp. It makes us even stonger at BGs, it usually generates qq-s all around the forum about pallys three lives, and angering casual players, making them think pallys are unbeatable -and we know blizzard is more than eager to nerf based on Bg player forum qq-s.
However it can't save us in arenas, and it keeps us from getting real tools in pvp. I think skilled holys would prefer more interesting new heals which are fun to master instead of a long CD no brainer oh crap button, prot palas could use some similar CDs like other tanking classes, and retris would welcome some offensive tools rather then a "third life" on a long CD.
Just my two cents though.
评论来自
359502
this is why we the other 80% of the people say that the pally is overpowerd the solution:simple roll a pally
评论来自
flopfaint
3.3.0 New Build
Lay on Hands can no longer be cast on yourself.
评论来自
316741
Has anyone else noticed a short (~10 second) period after forbearance wears off that you still can't cast Lay on Hands?
评论来自
367551
I just noticed, we cant use Lay On Hands anymore since the 3.3 patch? or am i doing something wrong?
Thanks
评论来自
340720
I actually find i gain more around 9-10k mana when i use it, with the glyph.
评论来自
360470
This spell is not "Instant" as the description implies - rather a 3-4 second cast like exorcism now is. Therefore you are unable to use it in battlegrounds where you have any damage being taken in a 3-6 second window.
That Blizz does not bother to recognize this fact is just another example of the hatred and loathing they have for melee toons and general lack of any concern of abilities actually doing what the description advertises.
评论来自
goomba
They definitely upped the amount healed. I was playing around popping all my cooldowns, and with 2 piece t-10 I healed myself for over 136k with LoH.
评论来自
BeerFoam
That's Blizzard. They make us paladins suck and weigh it up by giving us an extra life.
评论来自
137356
As of patch 4.0.6 (Feb 8th, 2011) "Lay on Hands" now causes "Forbearance" on their target
no matter whom it is.
Learned this the hard way during a raid, threw a LoH on the off-tank (I was ret pally), off-healer was pally heals, and couldn't save the off-tank 45 secs later due to Forbearance.
评论来自
Kanegasi
According to 4.0.6 patch notes, Lay on Hands is not affected by Beacon of Light. Does that mean when I use it on a "non-Beaconed" party/raid member, the "Beaconed" party/raid member won't receive a percentage of the heal? If so, that sucks. I can count plenty of times where I trusted the super huge off-heal Beacon gave me when I used Lay on Hands on someone else.
评论来自
shadowaninja
Here's a useful macro I suggest people create for Lay on Hands.
#showtooltip Lay on Hands
/stopcasting
/cast Lay on Hands
There's nothing worse than having your "oh @#$% button" fail just because you were casting something, trust me.
评论来自
970230
this is incorrect because lay on hands doesn't always heal you health to full, i was wearing tank gear on my prot pally and my health dropped to 10000/240000 and it only put me up to about 215000, so "Heals a friendly target for an amount equal to your maximum health" is not accurate.
评论来自
Thottbot
if you had 1 % energy and 100% health would you be able to give someone else 100% health and just loose 1% energy?// or is it u must have all ure energy
评论来自
Thottbot
u can cast this with 1 point of mana
and it's mana not energy! only rogues have energy
评论来自
Thottbot
That's why the cooldown is so long.
评论来自
Thottbot
I think this is the best spell in the game.
I remember pvping and fighting a pally and all the sudden hes got full health then u go to get em down again and he got mana to heal. Ughh they just wont die :o
评论来自
Thottbot
this and invulnerability are the only reasons why any paladin has ever gotten past the pvp rank of private.
评论来自
Thottbot
if Paladins are balanced around Lay on Hands. I hope not, heck one hour cooldown.. :)
评论来自
Thottbot
I don't have a paladin but they realy are when you examine them one of the most "Overpowered" Classes in the game allthough MOST paladins for SOME reason manage to suck. Realy. Realy. Bad.
Now I have fought some VERY good paladins before, and the entire Idea is to get a Big Slow weapon in main-hand, and to Dance around the target going in and out of melee rang depending on weapon speed. The idea behind paladins is that , they have NO offensive capabilities thus making them balanced.
Clearly, this is not the case, in World of Gear-Craft, where you can pick up an unstoppable force and simply Outsurvive even a soul link warlock.
Factor in good strength (Intelligence doesn't realy matter seeing as how A. Lay on hands -Full mana, B. Invulnerability allows you to just lay on a couple heals and be good as new without having to spam more heals then nessasary seeing as how you're not taking damage. Couple that in With Blessing of Command, Which almost increases your damage by 70%, and you've got an unstoppable train that is just begging to be abused.
Let us take a moment to thank allaince for having a large majority of their paladins be Brainless-Halfwits and not using the class the way it can be overpowered.
评论来自
Thottbot
I think, you should thank alliance by Rolling Horde?
评论来自
Thottbot
hi i wonder one thing, does this spell heals the whole life on a party member? I mean if you like cast this spell in lv 10 on a lv 70 with 10000+ health, ill he be healed so his own life is full? or only the health the lv 10 paladin got?
评论来自
Thottbot
Lay on hands heals the maximum hp of the caster, not the target
评论来自
Thottbot
i find it hillarious that ppl yell "pallies r crap" "pallies suck" "pallies dont have DPS" etc...
then ppl yell: "nerf pallies" "stupid shield", "blizz nerf LoH"
if blizz was to remove LoH (in case u dont know LoH= Lay on Hands) or shields they would have to add some DPS to pallies :)
then again...palies have become DPS machines in TBC :)
GG blizz!
评论来自
Thottbot
How many opponents do u need to beat a pally in a duel?
2!
1 to duel him,
and 1 to finish him off in IF after he HS` out
评论来自
Thottbot
theres more to paladin and then hammer of justice but maybe paladins should stop shielding every time they almost die and then heal and theres more to paladin then just healing and shielding
and maybe people wouldnt call paladins noobs if they stopped shielding and tryed something diferent
评论来自
Thottbot
yeah paladins are overpowered.... one of my friends plays pally, and he let me play him for a while... the second I logged on and started dueling ppl, I kept on owning all of them, and i didnt have any previous experience with pallies or melee classes.
Paladins are probably one of the easiest classes to play even more than hunters, since they hanve so much time to waste thinking about what do to next.... and if things go wrong, then you have LoH or just bubble>healhealheal
ANother thing I have noticed... paladins are now the ULTIMATE hybrid class... they can tank as well as a warrior, outdo mages/rouges in DPS, and heal like a pro. This is post-TBC btw.
It seems that now most classes can take on any multiple roles in groups... warriors can now DPS better than a rouge as well as priests and warlocks.. rouges and mages are left like WTF? atleast give mages a heal if your gonna buff everyone else.
It's rediculous how Blizz is trying to make every class the same. TBC just sucks... it was better when pallies belonged to the alliance only... now theres no difference wether you roll either faction.
评论来自
Thottbot
u guys r stuped if u think pallys suck im a 33 pally ive been playing for 2 months but only play 2 out of every 7 days (weekends) i just lvled 33 so yeah they do lvl kinda slow but they can go fast if u know what ur doing, and they are super good survivors and very good tanks because they have good health and they can heal themselfs warriors cant do that so pallys are very good =D
P.S. when i was lvl 32 i killed lvl 36 with only 1 heal w00t
P.S.S. im holy spec
评论来自
Thottbot
no wtf pallies dps is bad so i use 2 handed swords as they tend to have better dps than maces holy spec is prob the best spec for pallies u can get talents for LOH in it to make it up to half cd time...pure ownage in bgs blessing of freedom and hammer of justice they hav the ability to outlast anything exept for those twink rogues.
评论来自
Thottbot
paladins are overpowered in arena o.o
评论来自
Thottbot
paladins: pvp = unfair
arena= unfair
pve = very fair
pv20mobs = so &*!@ing unfair
评论来自
Thottbot
It all depends on what build you got.
A holy pala is hard leveling, but then why be holy at a early stage, same with ret, you can't hit hard at lower levels.
Spec protection, get a good shield with a spike, put on retri aura, blessing of sanctuary, pull 4-5 mobs your own level, Judge seal of light, up Seal of light again, and just stay immortal.
When 2 of em dies go get some more mobs, Judge Seal of wisdom, up Seal of Wisdom if your mana is low. If you pull to many you got shield and LoH. Thats the way I've been doing it since I got Seal of light.
I'm 59 atm and I'm leveling faster then my warrior friend. (hes arms/fury)
Protection paladins are rather good in PvP aswell, rogues more or less kill themselves by hitting your shield all the time, same with warriors and feral druids.
Caster and hunters? small problem, avengers shield (if you have it) to avoid kiting, judge Seal of justice, and just keep hitting em til they got no mana or get tired of you. Peace out
I Might have left something out, please post what else might be needed.
评论来自
Thottbot
You know, Pally's can be good depending on who's playing them. I'm a lvl 54 pally right now and I'm still pretty much a noob on the class. Really what you have to do to be a good pally is go holy spec, get 2 sets of gear (one for tanking, and one for healing) and set a macro to change between them as needed. I think one spell you are all leaving out that always saves my ass is Holy Shock, does instant 400 dmg or instant 400 healing. Another spell that always saves my ass when I aggro too much is Consecration comboed with Seal of Crusader and Judgement. One thing that bugs me about groups is that everyone just expects you to heal even when there is no druid or warrior in the group....lame.
评论来自
Thottbot
Has anyone here witnessed Lay on Hands crit? This has occurred to me at least 3 times ever since I passed the 64 mark. The first two times it healed me for 9333 health when I only had approximately ~6000.
Today it crit and healed me for over 11K. My health was around 7700.
评论来自
Thottbot
Ye happened to me in AV today, our tank at Drek was about to die since most healers where dead due to horde invasion. He had 18k hp (druid) and with my last 23 mana I gave him 12k of hp in one heal. didnt even know it could crit, havent done it ever. This was my first time. I had about 8,2k hp with BoK, Fort and GoTW. Was really cool, since the tank thought he would die. We finsied of drek 1 min later :p
评论来自
Thottbot
That is possibly the dumbest thing i could have ever heard.
评论来自
Thottbot
There are a couple bits that people have posted and I've observed myself that I would just like to make SUPER clear and put on the bottom of the list. This is more to pick out interesting bits from the wall of text than anything, so here goes:
First, it is capable of critical heals.
Obviously, since you're on a 40-60 minute timer it will not be used a lot and thus statistically the critical heals won't make too much of an impact. It's still nice to know that it's capable of doing even MORE than your max HP.
Second, there are some cases where it might be better to LOH YOURSELF rather than the targets in danger.
You lose the power of a massive instant heal, but if you're OOM and you have gear and talents that make your heals efficient and strong then you could potentially put out more raw healing by using this on yourself and spending the bonus mana. Obviously this is a relatively rare instance and how viable this tactic is will depend on your own gear and spec.
Still something to keep in mind.
评论来自
Thottbot
Let me see if I can phrase this correctly...
Can you use Divine Illumination (40 points in Holy), which reduces the mana cost of all spells by 50% for 15 second, to make this spell only half your mana? My pally isn't high enough for DI, and he's Protection Spec, so I shall be a while in figuring out.
It's Instant Cast so Casting time won't exceed the 15 seconds, which is the only argument against it that I can think of.
评论来自
Thottbot
my mage(fire spec) burns through pallies in PvP, short term invul+ LoH wont stop him so, eat that. since LoH is once every 40 mins(granted ur specced for it) and the added armor effects me in no way
评论来自
Allakhazam
The recast is 60 minutes if you don't spend 2 points on reducing it to 40 minutes.
40 minutes to get a "life saver"?
链接
圣疗术
圣疗术
40 码范围
瞬发
10分钟 冷却
需要 圣骑士
需要等级 16
治疗一个友方目标,为其回复的生命值相当于你的最大生命值
圣洁雕文
并使你回复10%的最大法力值
。无法对有自律效果的目标使用。造成自律效果,持续1 min。
魔法增益
法术细节
持续时间
n/a
类型
神圣
机制
n/a
驱散类型
n/a
GCD目录
n/a
成本
无
范围
40码
(较远)
施法时间
瞬发
冷却
10分钟
GCD
0秒
效果
Heal to Full
PVP 倍率:1
标记
形变时无法使用
[Do Not Sheath]
[No AutoCast (AI)]
无法暴击
[Vehicle Immunity Category]
[Not In Arena]
[Reset cooldown upon ending an encounter]
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