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评论来自
begolas
where does the recipe for this drop? i really want this enchant...
评论来自
26125
It doesn't trigger on ranged hit since it says "enchant a melee" wpn and it triggers when exactly this wpn hits not any other.
Otherwise it would say something else for ex "when the target is struck by a melee or a ranged hit, the wielder of the wpn gets...".
It's the same like the crusader enchant in the way it triggers.
评论来自
15462
Nice enchant, really nice...
...But 10 prismatics, 6 void crystals (no doubt what you get from DEing level 61-70 epics) 8 planar essences, and 40 dust...
Probably at least a 120g enchant, most likely more. At least you don't really have to run a major instance and hope for rare drops anymore.
评论来自
26444
Crusader still stacks, and I confirm that mongoose stacks too...it's <3
评论来自
14808
Would this enchant be any good for a tank? I mean, 120 agi adds some nice dodge :)
评论来自
28572
6 void crystals, on my server at least, cost 70g each.
10 Large Prismatics is 110-160g depending on the day.
40 arcane dust is 60g.
8 Greater Planar Essences are about 40g.
Total= 600-700g, depending on the deals you get.
And I'll assume the enchant will want one helluva tip, so add that in too.
All in all, even if this procs every third hit, it's still not practical for cost.
When it goes down a bit, rest assured I'll get it for my twink. Wish I knew what it looked like.
评论来自
32937
This is more or less exactly like Crusader. It will stack if used on both weapons, but won't stack if proc is from same source.
It won't work for ranged as all weapon enchants on meele weapons require a meele hit to proc.
评论来自
14925
Does this have a weapon-glow effect, and if so, what?
评论来自
36409
It makes my soul bleed that ferLAWL druids get shafted on this sweet, sweet, buttery enchant. :|
评论来自
Etern
Almost all proc enchants have in the past been on a per minute timer. So I assume this one is on a proc per minute timer as well.
(basically identical to Crusader)
评论来自
23830
Mongoose will have a neon green glow in 2.1.0
http://www.nihilum.co.uk/image/1683/
评论来自
43244
would this enchant carry on?
for example:
if i put it onto my Drakefist Hammer
and then i upgrade it to Dragonmaw
would the enchant still be there?
评论来自
Raidan
as Whisperess states the first weapons is consumend to create the next one..
you must not think of upgrading your weapon but creating an new one with the old one as mere reagent..
and since reagents are lost in the process of creating, the old weapon (with everything on it) will be lost as well... that's always the way it worked an it'll be like this beacause it's "working as intended"
:)
评论来自
Slash
proc:
https://www.cuckhead.com/cata/spell=28093
评论来自
48675
i have this Enchant on my Rogue it Procs just like Crusader with the golden shimmer around you and i get the following stats
when using a 1.6speed Sword
+0.03 Attack Speed
+5 Dodge
122 Attack power
244 Armor
+3.05 Crit
评论来自
48675
just an addition i got the Dodge wrong its 6.10% extra i go from 29.85 to 35.95%.. so with this proc Ghostly strike and Evasion i can get 102% dodge
评论来自
17498
Some clarification regarding this enchant:
It cannot proc for a druid in animal form,
If you have this on two weapons and they both proc, the effects will stack (which means 240 agi and 4% attack speed, which is pretty sweet),
If you have it on one weapon and it procs twice, the second proc will overwrite the first proc.
I have tested and confirmed that it cannor proc on ranged attacks as of 19/05.
Using Gladiator's Greatsword (2H) the proc rate is at: 3.21%, but it is probably less on faster weapons due to the PPM system. When I find the exact formula for the PPM I will post it here.
评论来自
29432
It procs this way - lets say for example that it procs twice in a minute. If your weapon is dagger its speed will be lets say 1.9 which means that in 1 minite it will hit 31.5 times giving it 3.8% chance to proc meaning that instant attacks like backstab or mutilate will have too 3.8% chance to proc it. But if your weapon is sword/fist/mace it speed will be 2.6 and it will do 23 attacks in 1 minute which is 5.2% chance on every attack to proc. Therefore every instant attack like SS or Hemorrhage has too 5.2% chance to proc it. So in conclusion the slower the weapon is the more times will the mongoose enchant proc by instant attacks.
评论来自
24974
Does anyone know if this enchant is visible on Gladiator's 1h Swords, Fist Weapons or Maces?
Thanks.
评论来自
56965
Does anyone know what will happen glow-wise?
If i enchant my "The Night blade" with the moongoose enchant? If the dagger glow stacks with mongoose that would be insanely cool :D
https://www.cuckhead.com/cata/item=31331
(The Night Blade)
评论来自
thevenom
I can confirm that this DOES proc off a rat.
评论来自
59376
Is this worth getting on your Deep Thunder or should i stil with the 35 agilty or Slav
评论来自
Kaution
Does the glow show up on The Decapitator?
评论来自
56071
All right.. A little question about the procrates...
I know the procrate is on a PPM base, and is determined by the speed of the weapon, but does a 1h weapon have a smaller chance to proc than a 2h weapon of the same speed?
Thanks in advance ^_^
评论来自
67969
Ok how much is a 2h Mace with a speed of 3.80 going to proc like 6%?
评论来自
Xamibon
To add info for warriors.
Whiles this enchant is really great for tanking. The agi is a dodge and armor boost. Its also fair for dps (tho i myself preffer raw attackpower). The 120 agility is roughly 80 critrating.
评论来自
Grakkh
DW Warriors, don't make the same mistake I did and put this on your offhand weapon. Uptime is ridiculouslly small for the mediocre benefits, especially for grinding it really sucks. Suffice to say I wish I had gone for Potency instead, one fifth of the price for more benefit.
评论来自
jon4009
This is a bad misuse of terminology.
"Stacking" refers to the ability to multiply a buff over and over, up to a certain limit. For example, warriors sunder armor stacks up to 5 times, and mages fire vulnerability from scorch stacks up to 5 times.
This buff does NOT stack. If it procs again while the 15s buff is up, then the buff is RENEWED to 15s, but the effect does not multiply.
What I think people are talking about is that it can be active once per weapon, so if you have two weapons with it on, then it can be active as two separate buffs with separate timers. This is not what most people think of when you say "it stacks".
评论来自
39249
I am new to the term proc. what does it mean exactly? and also my friend tells me it does not proc for hunters. Does this mean a hunter can not get it? doesn't makes sense to me.
评论来自
Xathian
I was wondering if Mongoose can proc off a Sword Spec Warrior proc these days? Aout to go Sword Spec and I was wondering, if I hit once and Mongoose doesnt proc but I get an extra attack, can Mongoose proc form that? or only the first true swing?
评论来自
40483
Proc rates are all well and good but is Kara the only place it drops? And is it only dropping from one boss? What are the drop rates? I need to hear more about the scroll than about the enchantment please.
评论来自
36076
I have noticed, on daggers. The glow can over power the dagger itself. My concern simply is that I like the graphics of my weapon and would like to see it. On swords, maces, axes, etc, It fits perfectly. On a MG dagger, it looks fine. Although it is a bit longer than most daggers.
If I am way off here, rate me down. Just something I have noticed.
评论来自
67219
As i already think understood the less hits the more procs???
and the more hits the less procs???
If it is like this everyone would have slow weapons only.....
评论来自
40021
What if I have the sinister calling talent (Increases your total Agility by 15%),
would that mean I would get 138 Agility instead of 120?
评论来自
Kaitain
Best looking enchant Blizz have ever made. by miles.. :-)
评论来自
58467
Mates i wont stack when you have 1 weap...
when you have 2 weapons with mongoose it will stack
评论来自
Salali
I ran some quick math in the forums for
Warriors
, so I thought I would post the info. here as I didn't see it anywhere else. This was directed to someone asking about the effects of Mongoose (for tanking).
The effects of Mongoose are pretty sharp. For 15 seconds you gain:
~3.6% chance to crit
4% chance to dodge
240 armor
The 2% speed increase is actually a bit misconceived in that it does not provide haste technically. You will keep the same DPS because it lowers the damage of your following swings (while active).
评论来自
63289
no.. it stands for Pseudo-Random OCcurence.. because in computers, there is no such thing as true random, only psuedo-random
评论来自
Tresjin
It should be noted that retribution paladins, with 25 agi/1% crit instead of warrior's 33/1%, will gain a 4.8% crit bonus on a proc instead of 3.63%. And for protection paladins, they also recieve 1% dodge for every 25 agi, so it's 4.8% dodge for them as well. Though most tankadins will go with a spelldamage weapon with +40 spelldamage enchant, Mongoose is still good for a dodge weapon like Sun Eater in an avoidance set.
评论来自
5849
Hunter enchant?
I just wanted to know if anyone's tested to see if you can get procs from ranged attacks or only melee? I'm tempted to say just melee but maybe someone knows for sure?
评论来自
129716
How often will this proc?
评论来自
97601
For a rogue in PvP, BG's and Arena.
Would you say having this mainhand and a 20agi offhand would be:
Better,
Same, or
Worse
Then dual weilding it?
Taking into account weapon speeds of 2.6mh and 1.5oh
评论来自
131725
would this work with battlemaster for a dps warroir or would exicutioner be better with this?
评论来自
Tarreiden
This cant be added to lvl 19 items for twinking but...
https://www.cuckhead.com/cata/quest=214
The dagger from that quest can. I got the quest at lvl 18
评论来自
Nufan
Is moongoose a good enchant for 2hand weapon??
评论来自
87465
A note for for my fellow twinkers. while being much, much more expensive than crusader, it is quite a bit better. procs about 3 times as often in *my* experience. your mileage may vary. a thing to keep in mind, in general, the thing about certain brackets is how long you can stay alive; hence nethercleft being better than nethercobra, and so forth. the agi that this enchant gives helps considerably.
评论来自
139404
This enchant is usless for hunters.Because you wont hit players with melee attacks so often.
评论来自
35014
No, it's not a bad use of terminology.
Even this website,
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/stack
clearly shows that;
"Stack" is used to determine the ability of an item to pile-up upon itself.
If you have two mongooses and both proc and give you 4% attack speed and 240 agility then yes, they are indeed stacking.
If they didn't stack, they would only provide 120 agility and 2% attack speed increase even if both procced at the same time.
Do not think that just because the two different enchants have two different buff icons that they do not "stack".
If one triggers within 15 seconds of the other you will certainly gain the effect twice over for a total 240 agility and 4% attack speed bonus, regardless of the fact that they use two different buff slots.
The only reason they don't share the same buff slot on your character is because blizzard didn't want a mongoose proccing and refreshing the existing buff from your first mongoose.
If that happened, you could quite often have 120 agility and 2% speed increase for 14 seconds and then 240 agility and 4% attack speed increase for a further 15 seconds if your secondary mongoose procced during the last second of your first mongooses' proc.
评论来自
9498
gives the buff
lightning speed
评论来自
152892
how can i use the effect?
评论来自
146445
This enchant sounds fantastic...........
I wonder if we could get some theory crafters to figure the uptime percentage on a 3.5 - 3.8 second weapon and compare that to a always on enchant such as Greater Agility. imo I would guess that this proc would be up quite often but the greater agility would probably keep your damage higher over a set amount of attacks over 1 minute. I'm trying to figure out if I should enchant Storm Herald with this enchant or something different. I'm 70 ret pally =)
Any help would be appreciated
评论来自
126756
Think this has been said before...but I would laugh my ass off at a hunter PVeing with this on his weapon. Straight up agil would probably be more beneficial especially from a raid perspective. The enchant of course only has a chance to proc, assuming the hunter melees and I dont think the hunter would be in a good position if he has to melee. For PvP...acceptable I guess since it would increase dodge vs melee classed and give some insane stats for damage once you wing clip, scatter shot, whatever.
评论来自
170647
how its work with shapeshift?
评论来自
172885
Anyone seen this on a Grand Marshal's Claymore? Looks epic. :p
评论来自
156159
ok to anybody thats thinking about getting this enchant
firstly for rogues goose/goose is the best pvp/pve
untill t6 content and it still is not much different
mongoose on suneater of course is good for warrior tanks
ret pallys you have to decide
1700+ attack power you should get this pve wise
if you dont have a ton of armor pen and still get it in some cases
pvp you will want executioner for tons of reasons its just better
under 1700 attack power pvp and pve
you should really think about savagery its cheap and helps a ton
hope this helps anybody
评论来自
34876
Mongoose: 1 PPM (Proc Per Minute) to give the following buff: "Lightning Speed". This buffs give 120 Agility and 2% extra attack speed for 15 seconds. Since it's only 15 seconds per minute, it's fair to compare it with
30 Agility
and 0,5% attack speed over a whole fight. This is an average of 1% Dodge, 0,9% Crit, 60 Armor and 0,5% extra Attack Speed.
Now basically you have to compare 30 agi & 0.5% attack speed vs 35 agi.
Since PvP is all about burst damage you might want to pick Mongoose for that. PvE wise I think there are a lot of calculations flying around that indicate Executioner as the best 2h enchant.
评论来自
kaspar160
where can i find the mats for moongose?
评论来自
ADneo
im gonna put this on my S4 feral staff when i get it, in a week or so, and tuck away for WOTLK ;o
评论来自
Kuja
i think my mongoose is bugged. got it yesterday and it hasn't procced even once. did over 50 battlegrounds since.
评论来自
druidpower
In wotlk this will proc in feral forms as well.
评论来自
Alfador
Does this work for feral druids in 3.0?
评论来自
Alfador
Confirmed! It procs for ferals in 3.0.2!
评论来自
yodadoe
I did some research and will answer my own question. For those feral druids considering Mongoose, here's a quick explanation of when and why you should use Mongoose. Executive summary: Slow attack speed means Mongoose procs more often. So it's good for Bear form, but arguably no better than the +35 enchant for cat form.
Mongoose is given a probability of activating the +120 Agility buff based on your swing speed. That probability changes depending on the speed of your weapon/paw so that the end result is an average of 1ppm (one proc per minute). HOWEVER, this is only applicable if you sit there and do nothing but auto-attack. So in cat form, with an attack speed of 1.0 swings per second, you have a 1 in 60 chance that Mongoose procs on any given swing. In Bear form, with an attack speed of 2.5 swings per second, you have a 2.5 in 60 chance, which equals a 1 in 24 chance. So just doing auto-attacks, the proc chance of Mongoose is the same for everyone... should proc once per minute.
But since the proc chance is a probability based on each swing of your weapon/paw, every time you do any kind of special move that is a physical attack, you have an extra chance for Mongoose to proc. And obviously, most of what we do is special attacks. So for each of those special attacks in cat form, you have a 1/60 chance for Mongoose to proc. But in Bear form, you have a 1/24th chance for it to proc... a much better chance.
So some rough math estimation: In bear form, lets say you are spamming Lacerate, Mangle, and Swipe while tanking at a rate of one every 2.5 seconds (a fairly conservative estimate... when I'm swimming in rage, it seems like I'm doing some special move every 1.5sec GCD). That is 24 extra swings at a proc rate of 1/24, which means one extra Mongoose proc per minute for a total of 2. So assuming the two procs don't overlap too much, that's 30 seconds of +120 Agility per minute. One could average that over the whole minute to assume +60 Agility all the time. Compare that to the +35 Agility enchant and Mongoose seems to be the better. The only drawback is that it won't proc as much when fighting stuff in bear that doesn't give you much rage, so you aren't doing as many special moves. On the flip side, your multi-target strikes such as glyphed maul and swipe make for a HUGELY increase proc rate when fighting multiple mobs!
Compare this to the same situation in cat form. I cannot do as many special moves in cat as in bear form b/c energy is always being used up. I'll estimate one special move per 3 seconds. That is 20 extra swings at a proc rate of 1/60, for an average of 0.33 extra Mongoose procs per minute... total is 1.33. So it would only proc 4 times in 3 minutes. 120 Agility for 15 seconds times four, averaged over the 3 minutes (assuming no overlap) is about a +40 agility. Since this math is rough, I would call that roughly equal to the +35 Agility enchant. FWIW, I have seen more complicated math done which gave the Mongoose-in-cat agility average to be only +37. Considering how much cheaper the mats are for the straight Agility enchant, I would call Mongoose not worth it for cat, though not useless either. If you have one weapon for DPS and tanking, Mongoose is an ideal chant.
Slower weapon speed = more procs of the Mongoose. (In case you were wondering why rogues love Mongoose, using fast attack speed daggers, it's because they've got Mongoose on both weapons for double the proc rate!) Death Knights will be the other tanking class that doesn't use shields, so will be using a slow-attack 2h weapon. So I imagine Mongoose will be popular for them as well. And of course, for a Warrior who can dual-wield two slow 2h weapons, this will be amazing.
EDIT 3.0.8: Mongoose is still the best tanking chant in the game for Bear Tanks. But the new AP chants on 2h weapons are far better for cat DPS than agility enchants.
评论来自
234471
RE: Feral Druids and Mongoose in 3.0
I bit the bullet and got mongoose on my feral staff. The normalized proc rate means you hardly ever get the buff in cat form. I strongly recommend 35agi for your DPS set.
The proc rate IS much better in bear form but still very low in my opinion. I'd stay with 35agi for your tank set as well.
The only caveat worth noting is that mongoose has a chance to proc on every hit, not every swing. Pairing that with the fact that the enchant has no internal cooldown means that it's actually not hard to keep this buff permanently rolling when you are swiping 4 or more mobs at once. If you're looking for something to help with multi-mob grinding I highly recommend mongoose.
评论来自
Silverado
Question: Is there an enchant in WotLK that is better than Mongoose for melee DPS?
(Like Crusader was replaced by Mongoose as a melee DPS enchant)
评论来自
Corvan
*THE*
most expensive enchant in the game as of pre-wrath
评论来自
Chachee
This is still the BEST enchant for Bear Druids in Wrath. They have not added any new Agility to 2-handers enchants. It's really quite annoying to have to farm planar essences still because Blizzard has overlooked weapon enchants for bears. It's too bad because we finally get the ability to proc on enchants, but now are forced to stick with a TBC one to maximize our tanking abilities.
Other ones you MIGHT consider (but shouldn't get) are Accuracy (crit + hit) and Massacre (AP). Neither is useful for anything but threat generation.
Give us a new agility enchant, Blizzard!
评论来自
250155
Just to make this easier to see
Druids can now benefit from these weapon enchants in forms and it is still probably the best enchant for tanking bears.
评论来自
226137
Is it me or is this still the best enchant in the game for a rogue? Kind of depressing that I'm tempted to re-apply a pre-WotLK enchant to my level 80 weapons. Thoughts?
评论来自
236127
Does proc of this thing depends of lvl?
I got Mongoose on main's and twink's blades, and i think proc in 39 is not so often like in 70
评论来自
lordkarthas
Every paladin and warrior tank I've seen so far at level 80 who bothered to enchant their weapon has Mongoose. Why? Because Blizzard doesn't like making tank weapon enchants.
Berserking
, the spiritual successor to Mongoose, is the
worst
enchant a tank could possibly have.
评论来自
216064
imo mongoose is still #1 for rogues... could be handy for dagger rogues since fast attack speed.
评论来自
248315
This is still an excellent enchant for Rogues considering the now reduced price, even in WotLK, if you look at the MAEP (Max agility equivalence points) scale. Beserking is clearly better, but mongoose mats won't set you back much.
Beserking 86
Mongoose 46 (BC)
Accuracy 41
Executioner 33 (BC)
Superior Potency 33
Exceptional Agility 26
评论来自
282564
Can someone tell me why there is only one enchant better than mongoose for pve right now, a full expansion later, and why it's still better for pvp, because it has no 20% armor reduction?
评论来自
naiohme
Just got this put onto my
https://www.cuckhead.com/cata/item=44703
... wasn't really worth it cause apparently the fish doesn't glow!
评论来自
Immortares
There is some discussion going on what Weapon Enchant would be best for
Level 80 Protection Warriors
. The word "best" should in my opinion be defined in this case by 3 criteria:
Survivability by health, mitigration (or Damage Reduction) or Healing
Threat to keep aggro
Damage (least important)
The reason I make this overview is that some Protection Warriors see the
Mongoose
still as a compulsory Enchant. However since patch 3.0 Protection Warriors benefit more from Strength now, because most abilities scale with Attack Power or with Block Value.
The Enchants that at least some upgrade for a Protection Warrior are:
Lifeward
Battlemaster
Mongoose
Exceptional Agility
Potency
Superior Potency
Executioner
Titanguard
For Level 80 Warriors these Enchants provide the following statistics:
Lifeward
: Chance on hit ("sometimes") provides
140-160 Healing on self
Battlemaster
: Chance on hit ("occasionally") provides
180-300 Healing on nearby party members
Mongoose
: Procs on average 1 time per minute
Lightning Speed
=> +1,92% Critical chance & +3,05% Dodge chance & +240 Armor for 15 seconds per each 60 seconds =>
+0,48% Critical chance & +0,76% Dodge chance & +60 Armor on average overall
(compare it with 30 Agility)
Exceptional Agility
: 26 Agility =>
+0,42% Critical chance & +0,66% Dodge chance & +52 Armor
Potency
: 20 Strength => +2,86 White DPS & +10 Block Value or
+3,03 White DPS & +13,8 Block Value
with
Vitality
and
Shield Mastery
talents
Superior Potency
: 65 Attack Power =>
+4,64 White DPS
Executioner
:
Ignore 840 Armor
(DPS increase depends on the amount of armor of the mob and its debuffs)
Titanguard
: 75 Stamina => +750 Health or
+795 Health
with
Vitality
talents
Additional notes:
Mongoose
has (with an average Tanking Weapon Speed of 1.8 second) 3% chance to Proc. On White damage it would hit once every minute for 15 seconds. However on Bosses there is a chance the attack will be parried, dodged or missed. But on the other hand
Mongoose
also has 3% chance to Proc from instant Weapon ablities like
Revenge
,
Devastate
or
Concussion Blow
. In most cases these abilities will be used more often per minute than the amount of parry, dodge and miss and therefore the
Lightning Speed
buff will be up slightly more often than just once per minute on average.
Potency
will slightly increase the Attack Power and the Block Value which will also result in more damage and Threat from abilities like
Revenge
,
Shield Slam
,
Thunder Clap
and
Heroic Throw
Overall I think
Titanguard
will provide the most Survivability and should be used if Threat is no longer an issue anymore for the tank.
Potency
and
Mongoose
both provide a nice combination of Threat, Survivability and Damage.
Battlemaster
will provide little Threat and no Damage, but has the advantage of healing the entire party (if in range) and might be very useful for Offtanks.
I hope this will ease the choice a bit! Good luck! :D
Regards,
Immortares
(EU - Twisting Nether - Alliance - Aeternitas)
评论来自
112723
Useful Links (for people like me that want to just click and not have to search lol)
Recipe
https://www.cuckhead.com/cata/item=22559
Enchanter's Spell
https://www.cuckhead.com/cata/spell=27984
Buff
https://www.cuckhead.com/cata/spell=28093
Do-it-yourself Kit
https://www.cuckhead.com/cata/item=38925
评论来自
160308
Cost of just 1 Abyss crystal on Balnazzar at the time of this post: 200g+
Cost of entire mats for Mongoose: 245g (greater planar was actually the most expensive part)
At 5-10% of the material cost of berserking, price vs effectiveness made this a no-brainer. If you are like me, and still trying to save 5,000-12,000g for some sort of mount; you'll be very happy with this enchant. Even on a better day when Abyss crystals are cheaper, the savings are still incredible.
You may play on a server where berserking costs less, or mongoose costs more, but odds are this enchant will still be extremely cost-effective for you. I'm a rogue, btw, so this enchant may be more valuable to me than others.
评论来自
Olioster
This enchant is still a fine choice for enhancement shamans, at least for off-hand with Berserking on the main. It still provides 120 AP, nearly 2% crit and the small haste. Its nice if you don't feel like going all out on double Berserking.
评论来自
3phase
I've heard this is trainable in WotLK now, yet I see no information to back that up. Can anyone confirm that it doesn't need to be farmed from Moroes anymore?
评论来自
316306
Stack literally means to put one thing upon something else. They do not stack because the second occurrence doesn't cause the timer on the first to reset back to 15, or more like the warrior sunder armor. True, the effects will stack when both are active, but the actual buffs will not.
评论来自
328506
It is, literally, correct usage. However, using stack in "WoW" terms, the first poster is correct. Lightning Speed does NOT stack. It can dual-proc, but it does not ever show a Lightning Speed2 icon, which is the indicator that a buff/debuff has stacked. Lacerate shows Lacerate3 to let you know that the effect is stacked 3 times.
So, while we are arguing semantics here, the distinction is relevant given the context of game language.
Dual-proc, not stack.
评论来自
332015
just wondering what are the ebst enchants for rogues just would like to here your opinions....
评论来自
260375
what is the proc chance or how many times can it ppm?
评论来自
Kerminator
Druids! Yes it works in feral forms(if you missed it before)
Did some testing. At Level 80. Stat bonuses in forms.
Cat:
1.52% Crit
Bear:
1.52% Crit
254 Armor
2.11 Dodge
I currently used Mongoose on both my Tanking and Dps weapons...
Current spec used:
https://www.cuckhead.com/cata/talent=0ZxGGsfrzceRcIkVobA0z
评论来自
Gombol
As of now its 1% dodge and 1% crit (to warriors, not sure about paladins / druids) at 80, i found a good alternative is
https://www.cuckhead.com/cata/spell=59619
If your a 'lil low on threat, and due to the titanium Armour plating (shield 'chant, currently 40 shield block value) getting buffed next patch (3.1) to 40 block value and disarm reduction, having both would be Superior to threat gen.
评论来自
255922
Math for druid bears (as i like it)
We have either +35Agi, or mongoose.
In Bear form, we have a Proc Chance of exactly 1/24 ( (60s)/(2.5s^-1)=1/24 ) [normalized Proc of 1PPM)
Now, we assume, to make it easy, a single boss encounter with plenty of rage.
You will make, during 60s: 24 "White hits" and, theoretically, 40 special abilities. (GCD 1.5 a and so forth)
so we get a total of 64*(1/24) procs during 60 seconds boss fight. thats 2.66666... procs.
Now, if we assume that the procs dont overlap, we get 40 seconds uptime in a minute.
Overall +agi in a single boss encounter with enough rage: 2/3 of 120 = 80 AGI
Now, with lag, misses and so on, we assume a loss of ~20%, we get still some 64 AGI or so...
But... we dont only tank single boss encounters... a big load of encounters consists of 2 or more mobs, and evey additional hit adds 1/24 proc chance. So a swipe over 4 mobs is 16.6% proc chance....
Anything wrong, missing or so?
评论来自
348759
does this work if you got a wep under lvl 35 but you are lvl 35?
评论来自
flakmeister
With 3.1 tankers were offered a wider range of weapon enchantments to go for in the form of
Bladeward
and
Blood Drain
. It seems, however, that Blood Drain is more situational than Mongoose and Blade Ward might simply be inferior.
Blood Drain is useful in encounters where you might expect some extreme burst but delivers no additional advantages Threat, Avoidance or Mitigation wise.
Blade Ward does look like it could be the potential heir of Mongoose as the king of overall utility, however, 200 Parry Rating will not yield any more Avoidance than 120 Agility would and don't mention the 240 armour loss. Threat wise it would depend on the proc rate on Blade Ward to exceed the 2/3% crit (Warrior/Paladin) and 2% Haste that is nearly permanently up with Mongoose.
Don't get coy and waste good gold until more testing has been done.
评论来自
khaltak
some idiot on my server put a stack of void crystals on for 20g, and the rest were VERY cheap s i got this enchant for about 200g :D
is this any good for a DK? i am thinking about putting it on my shiny new axe :D
(i put the one above on my main)
评论来自
309676
I see warriors in top guilds that use mongoose at level 80, and I wonder how they can justify it.
Ie.
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Sen'jin&n=Xav
Obviously its still 1ppm, 120 agi and 2% haste, the difference is you get alot less dodge % from that agility at level 80.
According to the in-game tooltips 1 agility gives me 0.0132% dodge and 0.0160 crit, this means 120 agi gives:
120*0.0132=1.5840% undimished dodge
120*0.0160=1.9200% crit
120*2=240 armor
The crit and armor are the same as they were at 70, unfortunately the dodge is only half as much.
The uptime is 15 seconds out of every 60 seconds (1 ppm) which works out to 25%. So mongoose is the equivalent of having a permanent 0.5% haste and 30 agility (0.3960% dodge, 0.48% crit, 60 armor) enchant.
To make it even worse, there are now avoidance diminishing returns.
For instance I have 25.83% dodge. According to rating buster 1 agility only gives me 0.0096% dodge. This means 120 agility would give me 1.1520% 30 agility would give only 0.2880%
评论来自
309676
Yes, but the same is true of every other ppm enchant, such as blade ward.
评论来自
389127
Except that blade ward gives parry, with parry rating diminishing excessively fast to the point that even 120 agi is generally more dodge than 200 parry is worth. The crit % benefit of the agility will more or less match the parry's increased DPS value on pretty much everything but a DK tank as well.
Problem there though, is DK tanks tend to have alot of parry already, meaning that +200 parry is heavily diminished in actual seen parry increase unfortunately, to the point that the one class that would have the biggest use from blade ward, gets the least evasion benefit from it. Except for druids who can't parry at all.
Blood drinking is situationally more useful, but considering how hard ulduar25 bosses hit, especially hodir and vezax, or hardmode council, it's kind of to the point that it rarely manages to get a full 5 stack due to the 10 second internal cooldown.
The new enchants are marginally better... 'sometimes', at much higher cost, and only for certain classes. The new ones are just too situational. As a generic "all around" enchant, mongoose is still competitive with the new ones, and probably still the best choice for a bear tank.
评论来自
28353
Looking at the WWS stats for an Ulduar raid after getting this enchant (enhancement shaman, mongoose on The Stray offhand): during 1h09m of combat, the Lightning Speed buff from mongoose (+120 agility, +2 melee haste) was up for 23m51s. This works out at around 35% (or, about a third of the time).
So, on average it's equivalent to about 40 agility (around 1/3 of 120). Don't know if that makes it worth the expense over other, cheaper enchants.
评论来自
98497
This enchant is still very much a viable choice at level 80, for anyone that needs the agility.
As a rogue, I have this on both my daggers, as the mats are a lot cheaper than the "Berserker" enchant.
评论来自
Anarchy
120 agility is 1.8% dodge at level 80, for paladins, I assume it's pretty similar or the same for other classes too.
评论来自
Raxiel
As of 3.2 this enchant has a chance to proc from the extra damage on swing caused by seal of vengeance once it has reached a full stack.
Combined with the more generous amount of dodge they get per point of agility compared to warriors and DK's, this enchant just got a whole lot better for Paladins.
Testing on maintakadin has put the uptime on this effect around the 50% mark with SoV
评论来自
235651
still best pally tank chant in my opinion....man imagine a WotLK mongoose.
This thing seems to proc more now than in Bc for pally, seems to always be up and that agility gives nice dodge
评论来自
Mogs
Does this still stack as of patch 3.3?
评论来自
517805
Well today i´ve decided to replace my Blade Ward with Mongoose. I´ve read a few discussions on EJ and so on. For me it´s definetly better than Blade Ward, cause i never had 5 Stacks of it in any fight.
So i bought the mats for Mongoose cost 200g Blade Ward is min. 600g. So then i wrote in the trade channel: LF enchanter with Mongoose. 10 secs later i got 15 whispers of amused warriors. They said: Lol you noob Mongoose on 80? Are you crazy. Worst guy ever... Tank with Mongoose, how dumb can you be.
But the fact that probably the best Tank warrior worldwide (Kungen) still uses Mongoose was uninteresting for them.
I´ve tested it today on a VoA pug, and for me it was way better than Blade Ward, but this is only subjective.
评论来自
489843
i'd like to know why it doesn't work on BoA items, i definitly didn't look at ALL the comments but i looked at a lot of them and none asked about or said anything about BoA weapons. i know it's probably the 1-80 thing but why won't it work if i'm lvl 53, then the item itself is then also 53, right?
评论来自
chazz100
In the first screen shot , What weapon is she using please? =)
评论来自
258919
This is one of the two preffered weapon enchants for druid tanks, because of how useful agility is for us; the other is
Blood Draining
. The two bonuses aren't comparable stat-wise, but each has its own uses. In my opinion, Mongoose is the better enchant for semi-casual and/or lower geared raiders who are running such raids as ICC10/25 normal. But, for people who are getting into ICC10/25 heroic modes (primarily with guilds), Blood Draining could be a good replacement due to the fact that those fights can get extremely healer intensive.
Anybody who is dabbling in heroics still, only runs in pugs, or has not gotten into ICC heroics should take Mongoose, unless their health is really lacking. People who are entering healer intensive fights or are doubtful of their HP values may want to consider Blood Draining.
评论来自
611483
hmmm
i think with fury and arm warrior this would be better than enchanting for berserker
berserker sure is good but when it proc it will make the damage bonus from Armored to the Teeth lower
and with fury u can nearly spam HS with mongoose coz of the bonus agility that u will gain :)
correct me f iam wrong plz ^^
评论来自
insaneblade
i can see blood draining beign nice but the proc is a joke still if your a paladin lol + any raid guild who is having issue with healers needs to grab better ones imho
评论来自
mygan
Cast time = 1.389 hours ?
评论来自
656356
Best weapon enchant for rogues right now when agi is the top stat again.
评论来自
oboc
According to the tentative information on ElitistJerks, Mongoose is the preferred weapon enchant now for PvE Rogues in 4.0.1:
http://elitistjerks.com/f78/t105659-4_0_1_rogue_faq/
(current as of 17/10/2010)
Personal Opinion: I'm glad this is the case as Berserking was kinda fugly. Mongoose looks way cooler.
评论来自
775971
Can Mongoose be enchanted onto Heirlooms?
评论来自
Ravenei
This Enchants Enchant
I
D is
2673
Enchant
I
Ds are used to link enchanted items in game. Unfortunately, Wowhead is unable to perform this through their Comparison feature,
yet
.. so if you would like to link any item (as an example:
巨龙之怒,泰蕾苟萨的寄魂杖
)
socketed entirely with
朴素血榴石
(or any gem for that matter)
or enchanted with
附魔武器 - 猫鼬
then consult my full post on
Brilliant Queen's Garnet
for a quick instruction guide.
评论来自
Mingle
Mongoose is no longer a good enchant for plate tanks, since we don't gain dodge from Agility any more. All it's going to give you now are crit and haste.
评论来自
Allakhazam
Can someone do me the favour and post some useful info, like what the proc rate is and how much the attack speed increase exactly is (in haste rating or %). I don't wanna waste all my money putting it just to find out it isn't worth it.
So those who have already made it: Run a test, either with a addon or just try to count how many times in a certain number of hits will it proc.
Thank you in advance.
评论来自
Allakhazam
Its a great tanking enchant as well. I want this on my thunderfury.
评论来自
Allakhazam
you can enchant this on 2H weapons...even if this only says weapon...
this just means you can enchant both, 1H and 2H
评论来自
Allakhazam
with patch 2.1.0 it has a STRONG green glow.(this is with PTR the 2.1.0 patch isnt out yet its just being tested)
评论来自
Allakhazam
Yup stack rocks but haste isnt that mad xD Only 2% per each proc
As for crusader...At lvl 70 it still says 100 but only gives 60 if you check your strength stat ( heals for a bit less too :( )
评论来自
Allakhazam
on your thunderfury...get a serious 60+ tanking weapon before even bothering to start buying the mats for it... yes I know TF proc and such bleh vendored mine when I got king's defender, you haven't got one don't bother enchanting then... yes it's a good tank enchant when it procs while you're saving up for the mats get +15 agi or crusader or you might end up with a sword that's not enchanted for a long time...
评论来自
Allakhazam
Now doing this enchant on Bronzebeard. Usually on between 6pm EST and 12pm EST during the week and varied times on the weekends. Contact me via in game mail or wisp.
"Z"
评论来自
Allakhazam
Enchant Weapon means that you can enchant ANY weapon 1h and 2h alike
评论来自
Allakhazam
Hello, i can do this pretty enchant on Rexxar, horde side if your interested, Hazey is the name PST in game, FYI this is not a cheap enchant
评论来自
Allakhazam
anyone know what kind of glow this baby'll have in the upcomming Black Temple patch? thinkin' about making my 39 rogue more amazing than anything =P
yes, i have money and nothing to do with it
评论来自
Allakhazam
on my 70 rogue. i put this enchant on both weapons.. before i got my second weapon enchanted with it i saw it proc once, quickly checked my stats to see the speed, and get the amount of my agi. made a mental note of the stats. i myself wondered if they would stack. a few days later got the second weapon enchanted. i saw it proc once, then again before the first proc had time to wear off.. and guess what.. my attack speed was still reduced the same amount as before, same with agi, the amount was the same after the 2 procs. as it was the other day ago with just 1 proc. this might have been a bug.. or it might actually reset itself with each proc. but i dont believe it does stack.. unless you can get a statement from blizzard saying the enchant will stack with itself. i dont believe it will.
评论来自
Allakhazam
is this a good tank chant? i wanna put it on Honor's Call.
Edited, Nov 12th 2007 7:49am by CntTuchThis
评论来自
Allakhazam
If you plan on putting this on an upgradable weapon, be prepared to do it again. It does not stay on the weapon after upgraded, I just lost it when I upgraded my Fireguard to Blazeguard. Don't want others to make the same mistake :)
评论来自
Allakhazam
I just recently acquired this on a full pvp server (Dragonmaw, Alliance). What is a good tip to ask for when enchanting this for others?
评论来自
Allakhazam
Nothing to proc here imo..
评论来自
Allakhazam
I wonder if this procs off bows, I would cry if it didn't because its lame that melee get all the cool enchants, being stuck with +15 agi ftl.
评论来自
Allakhazam
does this enchant work with druids in forms, or should we stick to savagry instead.
评论来自
Allakhazam
where can u buy the formula?
评论来自
Allakhazam
Isn't this only for 1 handed weapons? Or is it for all weps?
评论来自
Allakhazam
Now, maybe its just me, but are all the best enchants on 1h weapons?
I want this for my HWL mace. An improved windfury crit can top 1600 damage (I have a screenshot, did it against a leutenant in AV) and 120 agility would bump crit chance considerably. couple that with some elemental devastation, mongoose potions and agi enchants on other equipment you could get close to 100%. Increased attack speed is usually a % of weapon speed so you reap greater rewards with a slow weapon. Plus a crit would grant flurry, increasing attack speed by 30%.
So, ~100% crit chance, with stormstrike, and weaponspeed down from 3.8 to ~2.9 or something... kill a warrior in 2-3 hits.
So, does this insane chant go on a 2h? Sometimes its not conclusive until someone actually tries it. Cause i could only see like 2 or 3 new 2h enchants in the enchants list, which sucks for the 10 or so 1h chants i saw.
I want this.
评论来自
Allakhazam
These mats are killer; only worth it to put on the best epic weapons, like the gladiator ones.
评论来自
Allakhazam
Is this entchant chance on hit that gives you agillity by 120 and attack speed or it pasive?
评论来自
Allakhazam
Now... if you dual wielded this enchant, would the agi from both procs stack effectivly giving you 240 agi?... Also, would the haste stack, effectivly giving you an insane amount of haste... also, does the haste stack with Flurry... these are things I need to know.
评论来自
Allakhazam
anyone know proc rate yet? is it same as crusader?
评论来自
Allakhazam
Doubt if it can dual-proc same like with crusader...if you have 2 and they proc one after another the buff gets reset...
same with the haste buff ofc it doesn't stack...besides 4% speed bonus isn't all that much just a slight bonus...
then the people who wonder if it can proc of a ranged attack figure this..."hey let's shoot an arrow and wait for my sheathed sword to put some figure above my head improving my agi 120" (wait...that kinda sounds stupid now doesn't it...)
ofc a weapon proc doesn't proc of another weapon =_=
as a shaman stick to crusader even with it's nurfed buff +str = +AP = more imba WF vs. +agi = +crit = +CHANCE to get flurry
as for the "you should have saved your TF for old times sake" hell no, that thing looks like something you could buy in a grocery store =_=
评论来自
Allakhazam
Before i get this enchant i want to make sure it actually does or does not proc off of ranged attacks. If not then my hunter won't like it but my rogue will. If it does then i'm going to be spending alot of money.
If anyone knows for sure if it does or does not and has personally tested it to make sure it does or does not please let us all know. Thanks ;)
评论来自
Allakhazam
What's the glow like on this?
评论来自
Allakhazam
The proc stacks if you have it on both weapons.
评论来自
Allakhazam
i want 2 weapons with this.. it would proc so much
评论来自
Allakhazam
Raneful on Cenarius - Horde side can do this enchant.
评论来自
Allakhazam
Saw this on a twink 39 rogue today, had on both of his weps and it was quite awesome. It glows like lightning around the weapon, also I saw someone with Thunderfury who had this, very awesome.
评论来自
Thottbot
K, to clear a few things up;
First, any enchant that says "Required item level 35 and up"... means the actual item level. For example, Fiery War Ax, item req 35, level 35 Epic 2h ax BoE. This fits the 35+ enchanting rule. Enchanted Kodo Bracers, level req 34 BoE blue leather bracers, this might have an item level of 37 or 38 but the item req is only 34. So this cannont be enchanted w/ any 35+ enchant.
Next, Crusader proc CAN stack, to a point. Having a 2h w/ Cruader enchant can proc, then any other procs when the first is still up, refreshes the proc. BUT, having two 1hs w/ Crusader enchants on them can stack, but still to a point. If the first 1h, lets say that is the main handed one, procs. Then the second weapon w/ Crusader procs, you now have 2 +100 Str Holy Strengths. But if the main handed Cruader procs twice, it will only have 1 Holy Strength buff, the second proc will only refesh the buff to 15 seconds. This goes for Mongoose enchant's proc as well btw.
K, I was just a little tired of listening to 3 pages of people asking about if Mongoose/Crusader proc can stack and crap. So, I hope I didn't confuse everybody too much w/ my possibly missleading knowledge. =D
评论来自
Thottbot
just to let you guys no it does stack, i just got my offhand enchanted and it worked :).
240 Agi 8% attack FTW
评论来自
Thottbot
Mongoose proc for a rogue at 70 gives them:
120 AP
2.91% Crit
240 armor
2% attack speed
and for all the people talking about the advantages to 39 twink... please go find something useful to do with your time. You're wasting everybody else's time.
评论来自
Thottbot
for me it appears to be going off around 15-20%
For you rogues out there... 120 agi =
~3.2% to crit
~5% to dodge
then the 120 ap
Not bad for a single enchant =D
NOTE: the percentage data is within 0.2% and was measured @ lvl 70
评论来自
Thottbot
I have tested it, and it does not proc on ranged. hopefully, it will be changed, but don't expect it to.
评论来自
Thottbot
As of 08/04 does not proc on ranged at all.
Procs quite often in melee and will renew the timer if it procs once after the other.
The +120 agility will increase dps for both melee and ranged, and will of course increase crit, dodge, armour while the proc lasts.
The speed increase is approx 2% and although will work for melee for some reason will not increase ranged attack speed. Im hoping thats a bug or due to be changed although when I put a ticket in the reply was "There are no known issues with this at the moment" (or stupid words to that effect)....yeah helpful Blizz....urm thanks.
The mats were all farmed from crappy stat green drops, d/e'd blue crap, and I paid 100g for each of the void crystals from the enchanter, who charged me 100g for the enchant itself. Not bothered about the cost so thought I'd try it on my 1H dagger, speed 1.6.
评论来自
Thottbot
For all these people reading into the enchant description and taking it as gospel...
"Mongoose Description: Permanently enchant a Melee Weapon to occasionally increase Agility by 120 and attack speed slightly. Requires a level 35 or higher item."
It doesn't even imply you need to attack anything. Just that it occasionaly will give you the buff. But of course we know that's not true... it doesn't just randomly proc while were standing around in Shattrath ;-)
Don't read too much into item descriptions
评论来自
Thottbot
Best tanking enchant so far. Gives a warrior :
+4% dodge
+240 armor
+3.6% crit
+ marginal attack speed increase
Nice!
评论来自
Thottbot
haha, I am really amused by some people
if you enchant melee weapon, HOW THE HELL can proc on ranged attack lol
评论来自
Thottbot
the recipe is BOP.... so its not on the AH for a "million" gold
评论来自
Thottbot
Ok here's most of what you're going to need to know about this enchant. The recipe drops off of Moroes in Karazhan 2% drop according to someone in this thread. The enchant has chance on hit to give 120 agility and a very very small attack speed increase like .03 sec increase according to someone else in this thread. If you dual weild these 2 can proc at the same time giving you 240 agility. This enchant is so expensive you're going to want to kill yourself. Say goodbye to your epic flying for a long time if you get this (unless you buy 3000g off of some chinese gold farmer). This enchant can not proc off of ranged or spell casting b/c it goes on your *HINT* melee weapon. This enchant does not proc in a druids bear,cat, etc. forms. I've never seen anyone in 29 BG's with this enchant so i think w/e weapon you enchant this to has to be at least lvl 35 requirement. That's just my guess based on what i've seen dont scream at me saying NO WAY NUWB IT FUR ITEM LVLZ. I hope this helps and clear a lot of things up.
评论来自
Thottbot
how does this compare to +20 agi on a 1H weapon or +25 agi on 2H?
if mongoose +120 hits/procs....once a minute or 8-12 swings...wouldn't the +20 or +25 be better? seems like the math favors the constant?
评论来自
Thottbot
If this procs off two different weapons, it will create two separate buffs, so 240 Agi, 4% Haste, etc. If it procs twice in a row off the same weap, it just resets the time to 15 seconds on the same buff, so you stay at 120 Agi, 2% Haste.
Hope that helped.
评论来自
Thottbot
Agility
- Increases Armor Class by 2 for every point of AGI.
- Increases the chance of a critical hit with melee and ranged attacks. The amount of the increase is dependant on both class and level. For most level 60 character classes, approximately 20 points of AGI will increase your critical hit chance by approximately 1%. Rogues require 29 AGI for an additional 1% critical hit chance, and Hunters require 53 AGI for an additional 1% critical hit chance, but both of these classes also gain attack power from agility and the items available to them typically have much higher amounts of AGI.
- Increases the chance to dodge an attack. The amount increased is dependant on both class and level. For most level 60 character classes, approximately 20 points of AGI will increase your chance to dodge by approximately 1%. Rogues only require 14.5 AGI for an additional 1% dodge chance. Hunters require 26.5 AGI for an additional 1% dodge chance, but Hunters typically have a high amount of agility, as well as an Aspect spell that further increases their chance to dodge attacks.
Defense
- Increases the chance of being missed by an attack.
- Increases the chance to dodge, parry, and block.
- Decreases the chance of being affected by a critical hit.
- Decreases the chance of being affected by a "crushing blow". Creatures that are higher level than your character can land crushing blows that deal increased melee damage. The chance of a crushing blow increases as the level difference between you and the opposing creature increases. Players never deal "crushing blows", only creatures.
Attack Power
- Attack power increases your base melee DPS by 1 for every 14 attack power.
- Strength increases your melee attack power by 2, except for rogues and Hunters. Rogues and Hunters gain 1 attack power per point of Strength, and 1 per point of Agility.
评论来自
Thottbot
So uhm..
How exactly does one buy an enchant from another person? I've gotten the mats for mongoose (700g+ on my server) and I realized that I'd never actually bought one from another person.
I don't actually have to give the mats to them, do I? A few sites have stated as much but are not dated so the information could be outdated by years. I can't imagine that would be the case as I see too many people buying enchants with their mats and I would imagine that nobody would do it if there was any risk of theft involved.
(Yes, I know this is a random place to post this but I couldn't find an obviously-appropriate place to post it)
评论来自
Thottbot
Ok i just have t osay one thing i know u can get this pre 35 because a 29 twink warrior destroyed my shammy with them. so the ITEM LEVEL has to be 35 it even syas requireas an ITEM LEVEL of 35 or higher!
评论来自
Warrax
- The proc chance is 1 ppm just like Crusader (rppm is much higher)
- The buff also increases attack speed by 2%
- It can dual proc if you have it on MH+OH.
- It has no Internal Cooldown (ICD) so the buff can refresh.
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8
)
奥法之尘
(
40
)
奥法之尘
(
13
)
奥术水晶
(
13
)
全部展开
全部展开
法术细节
持续时间
n/a
类型
物理
机制
n/a
驱散类型
n/a
GCD目录
n/a
成本
无
范围
0码
(自身)
施法时间
5秒
冷却
n/a
GCD
0秒
效果
Enchant Item:
猫鼬
(2673)
PVP 倍率:1
标记
贸易技能配方
形变时无法使用
不产生威胁
[Ignore Weaponskill]
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