评论来自 Furydeath

But the thing is right now this is ONLY for the staff quest right now Living Embers are still in the game and used for the crafting stuff....so unless it's all changed

评论来自 848671

Just killed Shannox on 25 man normal, and got 2 of these. Only one person can get them, regardless of who is on the quest. I'd guess 2 per boss, up to Ragnaros, maybe 3 from him, for a total of 15 per clear.

评论来自 654348

We downed Shannox today and two dropped. They were both Master Looted to me so I know they are able to be handed out by the raid leader.

The item doesn't say that it's Bind on Pickup but when you look at them in your inventory they are soulbound. I pretty much think these are usable ONLY for the staff quest. Living Embers are used for crafting.\

TLDR

THIS ITEM IS BOP - IT DOESN'T SAY IT BUT THEY ARE SOULBOUND IN MY INVENTORY!

MORE THAN ONE CAN DROP, I HAD TWO DROP

THEY ARE MASTER LOOTABLE

评论来自 687641

Currently it is as such (live)
Eternal Ember , Though not showing as boP infact ARE. They can be Master looted IF the threshold is rare or lower. They have only been seen by bosses as of now, not trash. These have nothing to do with primordials and are not purchasable with jp, vp, cp, or hp. You want tier 1 staff? RAID!

Living Ember However, is in some ways similar to the primordials. They also drop from bosses as confirmed in a comment, currently are NOT purchasable on any vendors, are BOE, and used only for crafting.

Keep in mind as far as vendors go nobody has unlocked all of the molten front vendors. It is very possible *(supposition!) that there will be a vp vendor locked away somewhere 2 weeks down the line that will have these for sale. This would allow the truly insane to craft what they want and get it first through spending 8 million gold on ones that drop before anyone else, but then unlock it to the masses a short time after.

评论来自 adrov

This item have dropped today, normaly 1x PER boss, but we saw 3x per boss on Baleroc!

评论来自 Burningwind

we killed 3 bosses today and only 1 dropped... (10man raid that is).

评论来自 7978

Confirmed to be BoP, just got my first one today. Linking the item doesn't show it being BoP but once its in your bags, it is.

评论来自 849231

Ok so if more than 1 drops can you split them up between people? So if 2 people are on the quest and 2 drop can they bemaster looted 1 to each person? Also I was wondering has anyone seen more than 1 drop off a 10m boss?

评论来自 remikskr

One of the 4.2 hotfixes (blue post):

Eternal Embers dropped in the Firelands raid now bind when picked up. Master Looters are only able to give Eternal Embers to players who are on the quest All-Seeing Eye.

评论来自 Tatsuyarex

As of now information is showing that 25 man can drop up to 3 embers and 10 man can drop up to 1 ember per boss. It does not matter the amount of people in your raid who have the quest.

Also the embers are not trade-able to anyone after they have been looted, but can only be looted by someone on the quest. Master-looter must be set to rare or the embers are bound to one of the raiders who is on the quest.

-TR

评论来自 Naforce

Cleared firelands25 yesterday, got 1-3 per boss for a total of 14!

评论来自 Burningwind

i would understand the fact that in 25man drops 2-3 embers per boss and in 10man 1-2 or whatever 1 stable.... that meant that in 4 resets considering u clear all bosses u could have 1 person going to next step of quest(10man).... but the 0 drop chance is in my opinion unacceptable and very unfair..... A 25man raiding guild will have in 4 resets 2-3 ppl completing quest and a 10man guild will need 10resets just for one quest complete ( iam basing my assumption to the fact taht we killed 4 bosses {10man}first day and we got 1 shard and hopefully 1-2 more would drop if we were able to clear all bosses.)
In conclusion a quest like this , that concerns a legendary questline should reward dedication to ur guild, and pve raiding rather than plain luck. The luck pattern on a legendary item was tested and failed in past where guilds that killing a given boss for 1-2 months had 3-4 legendary drops(eg glaives) and another guild that farming bosse for the same amount of time or even more had zero.....iam looking forward for a more fair approach for this matter in 10man in the upcomming resets.

Sorry if this post was to long to ready...
Yours,

评论来自 MMOSimca

The drop rate is very likely to be 2 in 25-man. This would leave a 33% chance for 1 to drop, a 33% chance for 2 to drop, and a 33% chance for 3 to drop.

33% * 1 + 33% * 2 + 33% * 3 = 2

This leaves the drop rate in 10-man to be 0.8 because Blizzard said they were equal per player.

2/25 = 0.08
0.8/10 = 0.08

25-man guilds and 10-man guilds acquire the legendary weapons at the same rate PER PLAYER. Yes, a 10-man guild will have less legendaries. But of course that is true. If 10-mans dropped legendaries at the same rate overall as 25-mans, all the 25-man guilds would split into 3 10-man teams and they'd get legendaries even faster than you (3x vs the current 2.5x).

There are some more legitimate concerns I guess (e.g. "Why not raise it to 1 per boss in 10-man and 2.5 per boss in 25-man to avoid RNG") but even these are flawed arguments. 25-man has to deal with RNG just as much as 10-man. A 10-man guild getting the standard 0.8 per boss will get more legendaries PER PLAYER than a 25-man who only got 1 per boss. Obviously it would be fine to change it to 1 per boss in 10 and 2.5 in 25 man but it opens up a can of worms they might not want to open. Legendaries have always been RNG.

People must just think "omg 25-man players get their first legendary before us" because no other argument I can think of actually makes sense. While true that 25-man guilds will always get their first legendary before a 10-man guild, that legendary is only at most 1/17 of their players getting a DPS boost. In a 10-man, that would be 1/5 players getting a DPS boost.

When you consider all points of view, Blizzard's side actually makes a little bit of sense here.

评论来自 849231

Ok so anyone that has done 25m and has had more than 1 drop off a boss can they confirm if you can split them up between more than 1 player or do they all have to go to the player?

评论来自 163020

ok, I have to say publicly this is a unacceptable behavior by Blizzard: They for some inexplicable reason refuse in GM tickets to return the item to the rightful owner if it's looted accidentally to the wrong person or threshold is not set to rare.

I know what some people say "your raid leader fails" but why should the rest players and a whole guild be punished for the failure of a setting? The world is not perfect.

Besides there is absolutely no reason whatsoever to be 'exploited'. It's a single item that is for a quest. Nothing else nothing more.

Fail Blizzard, Fail.

评论来自 Kamikaze28

I was curious about how long this collection phase would take, so I wrote a little C++-simulation to produce some pretty numbers and to refute a few arguments. Here are my results:

25 needed, 0.80 dropchance.
100,000,000 simulations

Experimental | Theoretical
Kills Chance Sum | Chance Sum
25 0.38 % 0.38 % | 0.38 % 0.38 %
26 1.89 % 2.27 % | 1.89 % 2.27 %
27 4.91 % 7.18 % | 4.91 % 7.18 %
28 8.84 % 16.02 % | 8.84 % 16.02 %
29 12.37 % 28.39 % | 12.38 % 28.39 %
30 14.36 % 42.75 % | 14.36 % 42.75 %
31 14.36 % 57.10 % | 14.36 % 57.10 %
32 12.72 % 69.83 % | 12.72 % 69.83 %
33 10.17 % 80.00 % | 10.17 % 80.00 %
34 7.46 % 87.46 % | 7.46 % 87.46 %
35 5.07 % 92.53 % | 5.07 % 92.53 %
36 3.22 % 95.75 % | 3.23 % 95.75 %
37 1.94 % 97.69 % | 1.94 % 97.69 %
38 1.10 % 98.80 % | 1.10 % 98.80 %
39 0.60 % 99.39 % | 0.60 % 99.39 %
40 0.31 % 99.71 % | 0.31 % 99.71 %
41 0.16 % 99.86 % | 0.16 % 99.86 %
42 0.08 % 99.94 % | 0.08 % 99.94 %
43 0.03 % 99.97 % | 0.04 % 99.97 %
44 0.02 % 99.99 % | 0.02 % 99.99 %
45 0.01 % 99.99 % | 0.01 % 99.99 %
46 0.00 % 100.00 % | 0.00 % 100.00 %
47 0.00 % 100.00 % | 0.00 % 100.00 %
48 0.00 % 100.00 % | 0.00 % 100.00 %
49 0.00 % 100.00 % | 0.00 % 100.00 %
50 0.00 % 100.00 % | 0.00 % 100.00 %
51 0.00 % 100.00 % | 0.00 % 100.00 %
52 0.00 % 100.00 % | 0.00 % 100.00 %
53 0.00 % 100.00 % | 0.00 % 100.00 %
54 0.00 % 100.00 % | 0.00 % 100.00 %

Edit3: Just to be thorough, here is the List for 25-man, which is surprisingly short.

25 needed, dropchances: 0.25 / 0.5 / 0.25 (1 / 2 / 3)
100,000,000 simulations
Kills Chance Sum
9 0.07 % 0.07 %
10 2.01 % 2.07 %
11 12.24 % 14.32 %
12 27.63 % 41.94 %
13 30.20 % 72.14 %
14 18.61 % 90.75 %
15 7.11 % 97.86 %
16 1.79 % 99.65 %
17 0.31 % 99.96 %
18 0.04 % 100.00 %
19 0.00 % 100.00 %
20 0.00 % 100.00 %
21 0.00 % 100.00 %

Legend:
Kills: number of simulated boss kills
Chance: probability that your raid gathers 25 Eternal Embers with exactly <Kills> number of kills.
Sum: probability that your raid gathers 25 Eternal Embers with <Kills> or less number of kills. This is the sum of all <Chance>-values up to the respective line

Some interesting tl;dr-style observations from this:

In 100,000,000 runs, no 10-man raid would have needed more than 54 kills for 25 embers.
Similarly, no 25-man raid would have needed more than 21 kills for 25 embers.
In more realistic numbers, no 10-man raid would have needed more than 39 kills for 25 embers. (99%)
Similarly, no 25-man raid would have needed more than 16 kills for 25 embers. (99%)
80% of all 10-man raids will get their 25 embers in 33 or less kills.
90% of all 25-man raids will get their 25 embers in 14 or less kills.
And as a bonus: compare the number of kills for the 99% probability: 39/16 = 2.4375, which is pretty darn close to the intended x2.5.

Yes it takes longer in 10-man than in 25-man, but this is intended and just. Yes there is a chance, that you get 0 Embers even after your third cleared ID, but the chances for that are astronomically, mind-bogglingly, increadibly small (see Edit2). All in all, I'm okay with it. Draw your own conclusions from my simulations. If you are interested to prod around for yourself, the C++-code can be downloaded here. Try around for your own curiosity.

Edit: I just thought about this a little more and found the correct mathematical probability distribution (negative binomial distribution).
I have added the theoretical values to the table above which show a perfect match. Math works (but only for 10-man)!

Edit2: Just as a bonus, I thought I'd present one more interesting piece of math. How likely is the dreaded ID of FAIL, where not a single 永恒余烬 drops? The chance of one dropping is assumed to be 80% or 0.8 - so the complement (the chance of one not dropping) is 20% or 0.2. The chances of 7 consecutive bosses not dropping an ember is the multiplication of the above probability:

0.2*0.2*0.2*0.2*0.2*0.2*0.2 = 0.2^7 = 0.0000128 = 0.00128 %

So on average 1 in 100,000 IDs will be very frustrating. One thing to note though: if you are not clearing the whole instance, the chance of not getting any ember increases with every boss you don't kill, of course:

Kills | Chance of FAIL
7 | 0.2^7 = 0.0000128 = 0.00128 %
6 | 0.2^6 = 0.000064 = 0.0064 %
5 | 0.2^5 = 0.00032 = 0.032 %
4 | 0.2^4 = 0.0016 = 0.16 %
3 | 0.2^3 = 0.008 = 0.8 %
2 | 0.2^2 = 0.04 = 4 %
1 | 0.2^1 = 0.2 = 20 %
0 | 0.2^0 = 1 = 100 % (surprise!)

And just to be thorough: the chance of 3 consecutive IDs of FAIL (as mentioned above in the comment) is:
0.2^21 = 2.097152e-15 = 0.000000000000002 = 0.0000000000002 %
You are more likely to win the lottery on your birthday three years in a row than this happening.

评论来自 Khazai

永恒余烬 is now epic quality instead of rare, changed in my bags right in front of my eyes.

评论来自 441130

So what happens if you only need 1 more and 3 drop? ><

评论来自 Feranda

Patch 4.2 Hotfixes (Jul 6, 2011):

Eternal Embers are now epic quality.

Source:
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/3019413

Note: Eternal Embers are BoP, epic quality items that can be looted (and given via master looter) only if player has All-Seeing Eye quest for Dragonwrath, Tarecgosa's Rest -legendary staff. If you are looking item used for Firelands crafting recipes: Living Ember .

评论来自 Epicskillz

These have been bumped to be of epic quality, instead of blue.

This was done to make them easier to distinguish from the Living Embers.

评论来自 419096

As of today's maintenance (July 19th) these are of blue (rare) quality again, not sure if it's an intended change or not.

评论来自 855064

I've killed 18 bosses, all on 10m normal difficulty in these past 4 weeks. I've gained a total of 14 embers, which seems pretty on par with the 80% drop rate. None of the bosses dropped 2 embers. It's worth noting that that tonight, i've had a 100% drop rate on embers in my 10m, with 5 boss kills, though this certainly could be rng. I've heard from above posts and also from friends that it is possible for 2 embers to drop in a 10man environment, does anyone have confirmation of this?

评论来自 Bathrakh

my 100% drop on 12 bosses was just luck... we killed 6 this week and I got 4 embers only :/

评论来自 Kazlehoff

My guild downed Alysrazor on thursday. we were unable to loot the ember to the player making the staff. he was in the raid, and helped kill the boss. the item was looted to myself, the GM of the guild, to open a ticket to have it moved.

DO NOT DO THIS.

if you have looting issues with the embers, LEAVE THEM ON THE CORPSE.

blizzards new policy regarding the Eternal embers is that if there looted, they wont move them. if they rotted on the corpse, they can assign them to a player.

the great part about this policy? THEY HAVEN'T TOLD ANYONE. the only time you get to find out about it is if 1: your a CSR/CM working at blizzard or 2: you are a mind reader.

(i spoke to 3 GMs and a senior GM trying to get this issue resolved.)

评论来自 361756

Is it just for me the item changes between epic and rare sometimes ?

评论来自 dotcomlarry

According to August 10th hotfix notes (http://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/3019413), 永恒余烬 is now epic quality.

评论来自 fohhee

Caution! if you are the Loot Master, be sure you dont mix up with Living Ember, they r not tradeble once you give it to someone, not even GM will fix it for you even u ticket it, i lost 2 with the silly mistake my Loot Master make :(

评论来自 Chromell

Very interesting that they can stack up to 50 but you only need 25 for the quest.... hmmmm....

评论来自 566397

If the drop rate is 80%, I sure have some consistently bad luck. Out of 31 boss kills, I have 18. Which ends up being about a 58% drop rate for myself.

评论来自 AnarchParadigm

Can anyone confirm that this will drop from the Cache from Majordomo Executus in Molten Core? I see the drop rate is low, but...

评论来自 WotanMRR

Do these drop at the same time as seething cinders thus allowing 2 people at different stages of the quest to gather resources?

Edit - Answering my own question: Yes they do in case anyone was also wondering.

评论来自 Nerxedion

Probably this part of the legendary quest is the hardest for 10 man guilds.
Why? Well let us see:
You can get a maximum of 1 from each bosses on 10 man, while on 25 man mode 1 is the MINIMUM, and 3 is the maximum of embers you can earn. The luckiest person from the 25 man group will earn 21 embers in one week, while the one in the 10 man will earn 7. The unluckiest will earn nothing in 10 man, while the one in the 25 man will earn only 7.
If you sum this up and see the Seething Cinders and Smouldering Essences drop rate it turns out: this part of the quest is the most luck related.

Note: i made this comment just to clarify this up. Sorry for my language errors, and also sorry if it is a repost.

评论来自 wowkardy

Guys =) The embers are just for the the legendary and thoose dont drop at every boss , there like 80% drop chance =)

评论来自 851812

The sands of time are from Yasmin in Uldum and the eternal embers are from bosses in fire lands they drop in every way 10m/10man heroic/25man/25man heroic.

评论来自 Ziad1999

Since noone does firelands anymore and raid finder noone ques for firelands, and pugs dont work out for you AND guilds dont do this raid anymore, what can you do to finish this quest chain?

评论来自 seahen

I hardly know 'er!

评论来自 707545

Does anyone know if these items will continue to drop once Mists of Panderia comes out? I didn't play a melee class when people were trying for Shadowmourne, so I never paid attention to the mechanics of getting an item like this. I'd love to get the staff, but my mage is on a low population server (Dentarg) and I need to know if I am going to be left out of gaining the staff or if I will have to buckle down and raid harder.

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