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58158
This trinket was changed from 54 critical strike rating to 108 attack power in the 2.4.0.8016 test realm client, along with
https://www.cuckhead.com/cata/item=35749
(63 hit to 63 spell damage).
评论来自
120506
Well it beats out the berserker's call in passive attack power, and as a hunter, the 40% increase in potion effectiveness is really gonna cut down on my fel mana pot consumption. Really spectacular in my opinion.
评论来自
78894
I find this trinket to be very very subpar compared to what other professions get
Speaking as enhancement shaman, but i think this goes for most melee dps classes.
First of all the mana/health potion factor is nearly neglectable, most of the time you use Haste Potions which boost your dps, so this aspect of the trinket is only limited to very specific encounters, and pvp most likely (i could see a good use for pvp with this)
The 108 Attackpower is very weak, if you compare it vs one of the easier to get trinkets Bloodlust Brooch (
https://www.cuckhead.com/cata/item=29383
), which has an effective 115 AP ...
These trinkets could defenately use a buff, all the other proffessions got items that are above BT quality. These trinkets i would place on par with ZA quality at best
评论来自
Dethklok
I'm considering this upgrade as a raiding retri paladin. Mana is always an issue, so the +40% extra will come in nicely.. Now I think about it, I'm guessing the 108ap outrolls the +15stat on the original piece by miles.. Although I'd prefer the crit.
评论来自
141000
The raw materials to create this item are:
70
Mote of Earth (
https://www.cuckhead.com/cata/item=22573
)
70
Mote of Water (
https://www.cuckhead.com/cata/item=22578
)
70
Mote of Fire (
https://www.cuckhead.com/cata/item=22574
)
70
Mote of Air (
https://www.cuckhead.com/cata/item=22572
)
60
Mote of Shadow (
https://www.cuckhead.com/cata/item=22577
)
50
Mote of Mana (
https://www.cuckhead.com/cata/item=22576
)
4
Iron Ore (
https://www.cuckhead.com/cata/item=2772
)
4
Purple Lotus (
https://www.cuckhead.com/cata/item=8831
)
4
Firebloom (
https://www.cuckhead.com/cata/item=4625
)
3
Deep Peridot (
https://www.cuckhead.com/cata/item=23079
)
3
Shadow Draenite (
https://www.cuckhead.com/cata/item=23107
)
3
Golden Draenite (
https://www.cuckhead.com/cata/item=23112
)
3
Blood Garnet (
https://www.cuckhead.com/cata/item=23077
)
3
Flame Spessarite (
https://www.cuckhead.com/cata/item=21929
)
3
Azure Moonstone (
https://www.cuckhead.com/cata/item=23117
)
2
Fel Lotus (
https://www.cuckhead.com/cata/item=22794
)
2
Nether Vortex (
https://www.cuckhead.com/cata/item=30183
)
1
Black Vitriol (
https://www.cuckhead.com/cata/item=9262
)
评论来自
zydar
this is a great trinket for retardins and hunters. I am using one on my pally with tsunami talisman and it is amazing. no mana issues at all so i can keep my dps pretty high.
评论来自
3clipse
I have to say, this is an incredible trinket for raiding hunters. The 108 AP is amazing, only beaten by Bloodlust by 7 effective AP (but let's be honest, who *literally* has their trinket popped whenever it's off cooldown?), and the 40% to potions is just...wow. I sit at around 6400 mana/22 mp5 prebuffs, around 7600 mana and 90 mp5 after full raid buffs. However, using this and fel mana potions, I was actually able to keep myself constantly full of mana - I would get down to around 4000 mana, drink one, and the last tick would get me to about 7500 mana.
For hunters like me who have gear more oriented towards damage stats (i.e., leather items and less int-based mail), this is one of the best raiding trinkets out there. 108 AP is an amazing passive bonus too.
评论来自
11180
What I want to know is if this item is worth taking over the regular alchemists stone for a Retribution Paladin. Let's compare:
Alchemist's Stone (
https://www.cuckhead.com/cata/item=13503
):
30 Attack Power (33 with Blessing of Kings)
0.6% Chance to crit (0.66% with Blessing of Kings)
150 Health (165 with Blessing of Kings)
225 Mana (~247 with Blessing of Kings)
Vs.
Assassin's Alcemist Stone:
108 Attack Power
Which would be better for a Ret Paladin? 75 Attack Power or 0.66% crit, 165 Health, and 247 mana?
I would assume the Attack Power is better, but could I get some verification please?
Let me look at it from a different perspective; from Blizzard's gem system.
16 Agility, Stamina, and Intellect vs. 75 AP.
From gems we can see that AP is worth 1/2 of Intellect and Agility (for example
https://www.cuckhead.com/cata/item=32197
vs.
https://www.cuckhead.com/cata/item=32194
, ratio of 2:1)
So we can say, hypothetically, 16 Agility = 32 AP and 16 Intellect = 32 AP. As for stamina:
https://www.cuckhead.com/cata/item=32200
vs.
https://www.cuckhead.com/cata/item=32197
(as you can see I chose the gems with iLVL of 100 in all examples, as to keep things as fair as possible)
There is .75 Stamina per AP. So we can say, again hypothetically, 15 Stamina = 26.25 AP (or just 26).
32+32+26 = 90. 90 > 75
I know I severely, severely dumbed things down, and I broke the laws of physics with these comparisons, but for a class that uses at least 4 of the 5 stats on the Alchemist's Stone (Like a Ret Paladin!), it is a higher budgeted item than this Assassin's Alchemist Stone (when ONLY looking at Blizzard's definition of budgeting in gems, which could mean nothing in the long run but w/e).
评论来自
BoddAH
To get a better view about how « good » this item actually is, you can convert the 40% mana increase from drinking potions into mp5.
A Super Mana Potion gives you 2400 mana on average, this Alchemist Stone will give you around 960 extra mana every time you use a Super Mana Potion (2400 + 40% = 3360 mana on average Super Mana Potion use)
In very long/long boss fights (in short ones you won’t get oom anyway), if you drink a potion whenever the cooldown (2 minutes) is up, you would get:
960 / 120 = 8 mana per second from this trinket or 40mp5
All in all, with optimal use, this trinket can be seen as:
Assassin's Alchemist Stone
Binds when picked up
Unique
Trinket
Requires Alchemy (350)
Equip: Increases attack power by 108.
Equip: Restores 40 mana per 5 sec.
评论来自
73706
108 Ap makes this
one of
the top pure AP trinkets in the game. No need to hope for a proc, no need to worry about a dearth of crits ruining your trinket uptime (hourglass) or getting too caught up in the fight to hit your on use trinket (name one) etc etc. I know on my priest, personally, I've really grown to love not having to worry about on use trinkets. Just melt faces and the trinkets take care of themselves, so this one should be great for my enhancement shaman.
Plus, this just goes amazingly well with the
Mad Alchemist Potion
, especially for melee classes that seem to always have to deal with random boss X's Aoe, cleave, random charge, etc etc. Not to mention that on my shaman, I've only ever procced useful elixir buffs, notably major agility. Even procced an
Elixir of Ironskin
during an AV and was pleasantly surprised.
Mats to make the trinket are rather reasonable and easy to obtain for any alchemist, especially one with a helpful guild.
评论来自
140985
You did enumerate the positives to not having on use trinkets, but none of the negatives. Just to balance out the pros of not having on use stuff (some were mentioned earlier in this thread), some cons:
- Usually less damage overall (e.g. bloodlust brooch)
- Lack of ability to ramp up damage/AP for particular abilities (e.g. shamanistic rage for enhancement shaman)
- Lack of ability to take advantage of weak points in enemies (e.g. curator's evocation phase)
Also, since using trinkets don't incur the GCD, if you find yourself forgetting to use trinkets during hectic fights, you can write a simple macro to simply try and use the trinket before a particular ability. A priest example since you mentioned it, I try and use my Icon of the Silver Crescent before every application of SW:P. Now, I lose some dps from not popping it as soon as the cooldown is up, but it is much better than simply getting caught up in a hectic fight and forgetting to use it at all.
Anyways, this trinket is definitely going on my enhance shaman till I can get either
Tsunami Talisman
or
Berserker's Call
.
评论来自
176170
I take it this trinket is like the JC trinkets where y can drop JC and still be abe to use them?
评论来自
114935
So if I use up my Alchemist's Stone to make the Assassin's Alchemist Stone, can I then make a second Alchemist stone and thus have the Assassin's in one slot and the regular in the other slot?
评论来自
154287
Although the merits have been mentioned for using this trinkets with hunters and mana pots, but has anyone had experience using
https://www.cuckhead.com/cata/item=22838
for rogues with this trinket? I'm wondering if the haste would increase to 560 with the extra 40%.
Disregard, I'm a Noob who doesn't know how to read the tooltip.
评论来自
janevit14
Could anyone pls confirm if the effect stack with Hunter's Spirit Bond (+10% received healing)?
Do you think Alchemist will still be a viable option for Hunter in Cataclysm when its resource is 'focus' instead of mana?
and what other professions do you reckon will work best for Hunter then?
Sry for asking, but thanks.
评论来自
JaxOh1
Using the WoWhead item filter, i found this trink is makable as soon as LV50 (powerleveled and you dont get the skillpoint for making it, but you have it and can use it), yet for any non-caster dps (rouges, DKs, wars, etc), it will last you at the very least til Lv80. Worth making on a 50s twink? Just maybe.....
评论来自
Allakhazam
The Charm of Alacrity increases the Dodge Rating by 192 for 10 seconds with a 90 second cool down. It does nothing for attack or ranged attack.
The Philosopher's Stone increases AGI, STR, INT, SPR, and STM by 5, not decreases as stated above. Good thing is that with the last patch, the cool down for it is now only 20 hours.
评论来自
Thottbot
Woooow something nice for you alchamists.
评论来自
Thottbot
So where do you get the recipe?
评论来自
Thottbot
thats so nice
评论来自
Thottbot
Does it work with plane old alchemist stone as a trinket set?
评论来自
Thottbot
For those curious, you can make and equip both the Alchemist's Stone and other Sun faction stones like the Assassin's Alchemist Stone. Mat expensive, but I've done it.
评论来自
Thottbot
This is good for a shaman(mental Quickness)
评论来自
Thottbot
this is a nice little trinket for melee dps in raids. The +104ap is nice, but the 40% healing/mana pot increase is sweet to go along.
I believe all melle raid dpsers out their know what its like to have spam heals on the tank and you gotta blow those pots just to be hit again for more than that pot could even heal u for. So here is a 40% AND SOME SWEET AP.
Cant wait to do this on my furt warrior. Ill bump over 2k ap w/o buffs XD
评论来自
Thottbot
Hunter analysis of this stone:
The way I see it, in long boss fights, I typically need to roll with Aspect of the Viper so that I have the mana to maintain my dps for the entire fight. I can use pots, of course, but it all comes down to a comparison of aspects, trinkets, and pots.
Aspect of the Hawk: +155 Attack Power
Aspect of the Viper: mana return up to 55% of Intellect / 5 sec
Assassin's Alchemist Stone: +108 Attack Power and +40% effect from mana and health pots
Super Mana potion:
1800-3000 mana --> +40% --> 2520-4200 mana
Super Rejuvenation / Mad Alchemist potions:
1650-2750 health and mana --> +40% --> 2310-3850 mana
Fel Mana Potion:
3200 mana / 24 sec --> +40% --> 4480 mana / 24 sec
Potions can be used every 2 minutes (120 sec), so spreading that mana out over two minutes gives the following MP5:
Super Mana potion: 105-175 mp5
Super Rejuv / Mad Al: 96-160 mp5
Fel Mana potion: 186 mp5
I use Bloodlust Brooch and the current version of the alchemist stone before this one, so I am just going to give the AP increase and mp5 comparison by using it and not using it, as well as using the average return of potions:
Aspect of the Viper:
My intellect in PVE gear is around 310. This gives
170 mp5
using 55% of intellect. It likely won't be that high all of the time, but that's the maximum.
Aspect of the Hawk + Al Stone:
+ 155 Attack Power - Aspect of the Hawk
+ 108 Attack Power - Assassin's Stone
------------------------------------------
=
+263 Attack Power
Using Fel Mana potion =
185 mp5
Basically, you can get 263 more attack power using this trinket with Fel Mana potions and still maintain enough mana for the long fight as if you had the Aspect of the Viper on. Even with regular Super Mana pots, you'll still maintain around 140 mp5...and you can switch to Aspect of the Viper to finish off a boss.
If you can find a trinket that does more than 263 effective Attack Power, drop the stone, but otherwise, it looks like a very good hunter choice for long fights. From what I can tell, the extra 263AP is about an extra 18.8dps, which equals about 2.5% crit based on my current gear.
Skuully - Hunter
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Deathwing&n;=skuully
评论来自
Thottbot
not sure if i'm the only one to see this as a rip off, but where does the 15 to all stats go? considering all the extra mats i have to spend on this, to "upgrade" it, i'd actually like to see an upgrade, and not a change. 108 AP would have been nice if it had been a whole new stone, with about the same mats as the alchemist's stone.
I don't know how's the economy on your realms, but on draenor, a nether vortex is about 250 gold. or 15 badges. Primal shadows around 25g each. Meta gems 150g, primal might over 100g.
so the alchemist stone takes about 800g in mats. Is it really worth paying 650g to replace 15 to all stats with 108ap? 15 to all stats = 800 gold, but 108 ap ends up costing 1400g+?
To make it worth it, they should take out the alchemist stone from the materials required, cuz stats wise, they are "equals" and not quite an "upgrade"
评论来自
Thottbot
Requires level 350 alchemy.
But you need to be 375 to make it and it's BoP.
You would have to lvl to 375, make the trinket, then drop alchemy and relevel to 350 to use this trinket at 350.
评论来自
Thottbot
Good trinket, another rep grind.
评论来自
Thottbot
After a few raids using the new stone and then a few using Bloodlust I am still not sure which provides more DPS over the course of the raids. The math above seems correct. It is less to concentrate on when using the stone even though I have a macro to trigger Bloodlust every time I pop SnD, BF or AD which keeps it up at a maxium.
评论来自
Thottbot
Hi, i looked at all the comments above, but i asked myself 1 thing... as a BM hunter, i see everybody talking about this alch trinket versus bloodlust broch. how about using them both? Or are other trinkets combinations better?
评论来自
Thottbot
Yea i agree with all of you that the effect wont stack but....
You can't have 2 alchemist's stone on you. Read what the item description says: UNIQUE
...Unless an upgraded Alchemist's Stone can be worn with a normal one or another upgraded Alchemist's stone
评论来自
Thottbot
do you guys think its really worth a rogue taking up alchemy to end up with this stone at the end? rather than something like enchanting... cos personally i prefer alch and can eventually just buy enchants.
right? any helpful opinions would be much appreciated.
评论来自
Thottbot
I would go for enchanting, and take the +6 all stats on your rings and then just go for the badge reward: Bloodlust broach. Imo this alchemy trinket isn't worth it.
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