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Interesting to see that this and
Vanir's Left Fist of Brutality
is identical except for speed. This has 2.50 speed, same as the MH (
Vanir's Left Fist of Brutality
). Looks like Blizzard decided to put in more options for fury warriors (that want slow/slow) and shamans. This would also take advantage of the flurry mechanic for an occasional extra hit for fury warriors which is nice indeed.
评论来自
Izichial
Vanir is the name of one of the two groups of gods in Norse mythology, the other and more well known being the Æsir.
评论来自
GoGoGodzilla
Enhancement Shaman:
Your
T5 EP Values
to compare this weapon to the
Merciless Gladiator’s Cleaver
(assuming that the MGC is being DW’d),
Fury
(OH) /
Rage
(MH), and
Vanir’s Left Fist of Brutality
(OH) /
Vanir’s Right Fist of Brutality
(MH).
Weapon DPS EP values of 9.03 MH and 3.70 OH are only valid for 2.6 speed weapons and are therefore not included in the initial estimate of overall item value. T5 is used because these, being badge-based, are theoretically equally available to players who have only done heroics and never seen Karazhan as well as people who have BT on farm.
MGC = 82 per; we assume DW, so EP = 164.
Fury / Rage = (75.6) + (87.6); EP = 163.2
Vanir L / R = (107.44) + (121.08); EP= 228.52
Now I’m going to try to include the DPS values. 2.6 speed weapons calculate to 9.03 EP MH and 3.70 EP OH. Using this information, we can theoretically
estimate
the EP of a 2.5 speed weapons to be 8.68 MH and 3.56 OH by solving for X via the two following formulae: MH – ((9.06 / 2.6) = (x / 2.5)); OH – ((3.7 / 2.6) = (x / 2.5)).
Please bear in mind that this is not definite; the conversion of values is almost guaranteed to be non-linear!
By this same token, a 2.8 speed weapon should therefore estimate at 9.725 MH, 3.985 OH.
With that understood, here’s how our values change.
Update: I did my math wrong. New numbers below.
Merciless Gladiator's Cleaver
-
1405.175 EP DW
(962.425 MH; 442.75 OH)
Rage
/
Fury
-
1380.188 EP
(950.868 MH; 429.32 OH)
Vanir Right Fist
/
Vanir Left Fist
-
1489.24 EP
(1015.12 MH; 474.12 OH)
By comparison, a
Syphon of the Nathrezim
theoretically comes in at
1473.742 EP DW
(1024.445 MH; 449.297 OH). Bear in mind, too, that the lifesteal is not being factored into this equation. Whether or not the lifesteal is even enough of a factor to notice is another discussion entirely.
If I’ve done the math correctly this time, we suddenly find that
Vanir’s may actually be a slight improvement over the Syphon
. Someone please check my numbers to confirm this, because if this is true, this is insane.
评论来自
ShamanKalii
This is actually a common fallacy. From elitist jerks:
3.1.3 Haste Rating
Haste Rating will directly increase the contribution of white swings to your DPS - 1% Haste will generate 1% more auto attack DPS. Prior to patch 2.2 Haste Rating became the superior stat, but the 2.3 patch reduced its EP value closer to that of Hit Rating.
Modeling at one time indicated weapons hasted between 1.51 and 1.41 speed will actually experience a sharp decrease in potential Windfury DPS. The range of 1.51- 1.41 speed was believed to cause the main hand to always finish a swing just before the end of a WF cooldown, making you wait longer for the next eligible swing that can proc WF. If hasted in this period for a long duration, you could expect WF DPS contribution to decrease. However, you'll also experience many more white swings during that time, and so the loss of potential WF procs should be offset by the increased white DPS. It is no longer believed that the 1.5 to 1.4 hasted speed will actually cause any decrease in DPS - you should notice an overall increase.
There is no need to worry about the 1.51 - 1.41 hasted weapon range. The original claims about the supposed DPS loss had done no empirical or simulated testing to back up their modeling. More recent testing has indicated that whatever potential WF DPS is lost because of swing timer issues is more than made up for by the gigantic leap in autoattack DPS.
The Magical 1.5 has far less impact than once theorized. And as a result, the two weapons are almost exactly the same extended DPS, with the Fist sets actually coming slightly ahead due to stats! Although, the Syphon is remarkably difficult to Theorycraft due to the interactions of the proc and using Haste Trinkets while they're up.
Simply put, don't be afraid of the 2.5 speeds on the Fists, it's less important than it seems. At least for PvE. For PvP the higher burst holds potential, as well as the HP regen.
EDIT: It should be noted that with just the haste rating on these fists, Heroism/Bloodlust, and Flurry the weapon speed drops to 1.44 swing speed. Syphon has a speed on 1.65. Syphon is actually a good .15 seconds slower than optimal for maximizing WF, while hurting your white swing speed.
Also, if you throw in Drums of Battle and Dragonspine Trophy (The best melee trinket in the game, thus far. Even for Shamans.) the fist set drops to 1.15 speed and Syphon to 1.31. Just FYI, this doesn't add into the WF calculations much.
评论来自
66617
This weapon is for classes that can benefit from having a slow weapon in their off-hand. Rogues, as far as I know, do not. Warriors look for them for flurry-whirlwind changes, shammies look for a slow OH just as they always have. There is an identical one which is the same amount of badges at 1.5 speed. I'd suggest that for a rogue
My warrior is fury and will be picking up both of them, along with the main hand. Some instances require a fast off-hand, such as not having optimal group buffs or maybe some trash or something. I switch off between using rage/fury and using a gladiator quick off-hand, depending on the situation.
评论来自
Deragorn
Purchaseable in patch 2.4 for 105 badges.
评论来自
106960
great stats, shame about the model - looks like they were made in Rio at carnival time ^^
评论来自
rakkarage
they are ugly and clip and conform badly on my troll warrior
评论来自
bolo93
Hey, I have one question.
Does Vanir's Left Fist of Brutality/Vengeful Gladiator's Chopper is better than Blade of Infamy or Rising Tide.
I know noobish question, but would like to know from pro's ;).
评论来自
toob
Confirmed! mongoose on the off hand is lovely.. I fell in love with this as soon as I got it.
Fury warrior :D
评论来自
moocow
For Enh Shamans, go with dual Mongoose, unless you have loads of armor penetration.
评论来自
150080
Got this. Love it.
Mongoose or +20 strength? (Enh shaman)
评论来自
39022
As an enhancement shaman w/
https://www.cuckhead.com/cata/item=33495
and
https://www.cuckhead.com/cata/item=33640
. I am wondering if getting this off-hand will be worth it due to the 2.5 speed as opposed to the 2.6 on Fury. With Stormstrike and Lava Lash there are many opportunities that WF will proc on my off-hand :(. But will using a faster off-hand than Main-hand just make it worse?
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dubplate
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