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评论来自
Tetris
This is like a beefed up Eskhandar's Right Claw, in every way. This claw seems more ideal for a rogue with the increase in weapon speed as compared to the Eskhandar set.
评论来自
10727
Atlas loot declares this to be a drop off Hydromancer Thespia, first boss of the Steam Vault in Coilfang Reservoir; but of course, I cannot confirm nor deny this as it has not dropped for me yet, I just felt I ought to pass this information on so someone can validate it =)
评论来自
Malichai
It all depends on what you prefer. Its identical to Vindicator's Brand in almost every way. I personally prefer somthing more constant, and less chance on hit.
评论来自
onecrazymonkey
No listing of the proc rate on the spell yet.
Anyone know what the proc rate is?
评论来自
38917
Procwatch puts this at around 3ppm over an hour or so in regular steamvaults.
Get ready for whispers if you ever decide to pull this thing out in a crowded city.
评论来自
47741
hey guys i am an enhancement shaman deeply looking to get this weapon, and all u guys that posted saying u got it or it dropped for you Heroic Shatt Halls, please tell me what you all had in your group would make me a step closer to getting this, as i have tried heroic Shatt halls many a times and have failed mizerable on the 2nd boss and never got to down Warchief.
评论来自
40449
I would like to comment this as level 70 warrior.
There are 2 main ways to gear yourself as a fury warrior in TBC ,getting hit+crit gear or ap+crit.You can either get huge AP for big bloodthirst and some high normal (but not very fast ,and often overall) crits ,or you can consist on white,very very very fast crits.
This weapon is for the second,
https://www.cuckhead.com/cata/item=28288
+
https://www.cuckhead.com/cata/item=28437
+ this fist is really insane haste rating (without the haste rating pot) and with 30% more attack speed from flurry...just kewl
The thing is that I've been trying some "faster" wpns lately and I noticed I rly miss a lot ,so i cant imagine the Abacus +flurry+ one of those proc. You will prolly miss 50% of the hits. Thats why you have to gear yourself some nice +hit ,otherways all this haste rating just goes in to the bucket.
I would also sugest picking up a Rampage/Impale build ,instead of Fury/ some Wpn spec. Since this is main hand ,we cant take advantage of any wpn spec at all. If it was off-hand we could put axe in main-hand ,get the 5% crit and GG ,but oh well its not.
Furthermore if u go for Rampage/Impale you will back a bit the AP you gimped for the +hit .
When I get this I'll test it together with the abacus ,and such type of build ,would be more then happy to tell the results then. But still even from now (when a poster above stated the proc rate is 3ppm) this looks way more then promissing
Warriors and Rogues should have prio on taking this ,its just that they can put it in bigest use of all classes. Yes shaman has Flurry also ,I know ...But somehow I just dont think he will catch up the dps on rogue or warrior using this.
评论来自
56001
An epic picture posted by "wasabimilkshake".
Be sure to check it out. I laughed so hard it hurt.
评论来自
47860
I play a 70 shammy main (Centrelink @ BlackDragonFlight), and I completely agree.
Shammys have zero CC and zero agro control, ask any shammy they'll tell the same thing.
I also play a fist rogue (Sn @ Cenarian Circle), and imo having both classes, this is definately a rogue priority weapon.
Peace, CL.
评论来自
25329
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sad but true. with restro you can get a spot in heroic, but with semi-epic gear on a enhance, you got no spots...got thrown out for rogues, ALOT.....
/emo
评论来自
98282
Got this today. Heroic Shattered halls is extremely easy with a prot paladin. Took DPS Warrior, Rogue, P Pally, (me) shaman, and a mage.
Downed Kargath with 20~ minutes left on the timer.
评论来自
101003
1st: Whimpy plz dont flame me if im way off base to the all knowing uber wownerds out there caveat-disclaimer:
Havent done 25 man raids, just regular and heroic five mans, as tank and dps/cc. No guild, but a regular pool of people on my server who are pugging the same thing together until they're almost a guild. You know the types. So my knowledge is based on running one instance like 15-20 times a week until I get the drops, or get the rep, or the key, or the attunement quest, etc, then move to another one. As a tank this is pretty easy to do consistently as on my server, there are no freaking tanks. And this advice is for same types, because if you're in a good guild, then pretty much every instance/drop farming is doable because peeps know ya and wont drop after you wipe a couple times or kick ya cuz you die first all the time.
so take this comment as noobish if you want, but ive tanked a LOT of 5 mans. so...having stated my caveat/disclaimer to avoid the uber rippage...
If you are running heroic, you probably aren't ignorant of the differences between various instances. This one has a lot of larger group pulls, making aggro management much more difficult. As a 5/0/56 prot warr, I have my hands full running around grabbing mobs back. Personally I find that this is one of the harder instances for me to maintain every mobs attention, and here they hit so damned hard that cc or armor is about the only things I want with me in here after an awesome healer who does a little more than just watch the icons and never moves around. Its hard to keep softer toons alive in this run. Frankly I find the bosses easier than some of the group pulls, and so enhancement shammies are awesome at boss time but just not AS USEful during the clearing of the large groups. Real CC in here is pretty much a must, and i really prefer frost mages to fire here as well.
Have run this with a few enh shamms, all of them died a lot on the way to bosses except one, he was uber and ripped and was way better at his toon than most, including me with mine, and he was 12, lol. All of them that made it to the Kargath fight without leaving, there they did a lot better with totems and such, healers and mages really appreciated it.
Maybe if you were using a pally-tanked group it would be a better fit, better crowd aggo control more mana replenishment requirements. omolkane imo has it right, and its the same for dps warrs<<if they arent into BG/Arena-if they are, well thats the way to gear up as an arms or fury warr>>. Easier to use instance friendly tank spec then respec fury or arms, cuz most people tend to want warrs to tank because there just arent enough tanks. Bleh. Go resto and amass a gearpile for your respec. I did not like this advice as a player but its what i basically did.
Every class can have elite players who can make their spec stretch further-but its hard to convince people who've run this instance a lot that an enhancement shammy will be good enough to not have a cc in that spot.
good luck, this weapon is just cool, and you dont see it a lot, so I think its cool to work towards. On older servers you see the same gear on everyone- I am so sick of knowing that after a certain level we all have the same gear. Used to love those badass warrior shoulders but now they irritate me because of their ubiquity. You know the ones. :)
Man, Id love it if rare variations, even if the stats were the same, would allow the classes to differentiate individuals more looks-wise.
And while I'm bitching...
Why in the holy hell cant blacksmiths fix armor? I mean really? Really? But mages can make food and water. At least armorsmiths-armor, etc. I think this is a relatively good aside for this instance because as a tank my repair bills after this place suck. Especially if I let some class like enh shammy or MM hunter or ret pally, come along- wink wink j/k guys.
I love it how far afield you can get on these posts when distracted while typing.
评论来自
Vetis
I've never actually gotten this, but as a 70 Enhancement shaman it was one of my desires prior to getting 10-25man weaponry. Never listen to anyone who tells you you NEED crowd control, I always ran with a group of friends in a melee power group, and I can tell you now that CC just slowed us down. We did heroic shattered pretty much every day because it was a lot of badges and more challenging than the majority of other instances for us (those group pulls do definitely hurt, and I'm not saying CC is a bad thing, but never let someone keep you from coming because you "don't offer anything", they are just letting you know that they are not good enough to handle anything without sheepers and fearers to hold their hands).
That being said, good luck getting it, it looks awesome and it will certainly serve you well until you start getting some of the raid weapons, or pvp reward weapons if you decide to swing that way. Usual group makeup for us was 1 Prot warrior(Prot paladin or druid is more ideal generally), 1 combat rogue(swords), 1 enhancement shaman(myself), 1 Holy priest (or resto druid) and the 5th position was usually a hunter/moonkin/other.
评论来自
87017
Simple fact is, you're crazy to go into Heroic Shattered Halls without a Paladin tanking. Paladins have an enormous advantage in SH. And if you do, you don't need CC. As a paladin tank myself, I've brought shammies, but I prefer to bring AOE classes who can AOE down groups as I AOE tank them. Shammies have limited AOE capability, but are tremendously useful for dealing with the various casters in each pull, as well as the general utility they bring. I average a 1.5 hour run, and always beat the executioner with time to spare. As a prot pally, I would rather run with a shammy than just about any other class at this point, no matter the instance.
评论来自
Warrok
I got this the other evening for my off-gear. It wasn't exactly the best run as we didn't manage to do it in time but finally Kargath was beaten and dropped this nice weapon. Primarily I picked it up as a kind of trophy, as the weapon will draw looks to you once drawn (pun intended).
That being said it has some drawbacks. From my point of view a major drawback is that it's a Main Hand weapon. For raiding it lacks hit. Though if you have the hit and don't have a 87+ dps weapon from Kara or later to replace it, it can serve very well due to the proc-effect, which can seriously boost dps. Abacus of the Violent Odds (
https://www.cuckhead.com/cata/item=28288
) can be activated at the same time as the proc, which can generate lots of burst damage.
评论来自
Bubbladin
i just lost my manhood just looking at that big thing
评论来自
79862
Picked this up today on my 70 enhance shaman.
The effective group we used to run heroic SH with was slightly unconventional, but workable:
2 Feral Druids
1 Fire Mage
1 Resto Shaman
1 Enhance Shaman
Having 2 solid tanks at any time who could dps in a flash, a CC, and 2 full sets of totems/dual Heroisms made the run pretty good. We were all in the same guild, which did help as well..
Funny thing was, he dropped his Eviscerator on the same run.. the resto sham took that for his offset :) as I got Bladefist.
评论来自
111264
does enchants show up on this weapon?
评论来自
34638
If I'm going to go fist spec w/ this as my MH, what should I use in my OH?
I was thinkin
Stormreaver Warblades
, but I just want to be sure.
评论来自
102260
By Veras on 02/28/2007 (Patch 2.0.8)
In general, I prefer stats as well, but Hate Rating really is an amazing thing. Stacking a haste proc with SnD and BF as a rogue is a beautiful thing.
Also, you have to consider Fist Specialization versus Sword. Sword spec in its current form is just inferior to the crit offered by Fist.
LOL
How stupid can you be? Outside of Mace's possible use in PvP (Which is inferior to ShS anyways), Sword Spec is FAR superior to any of a Rogue's other Weapon Specs. ESPECIALLY when you consider the haste stacks that you mentioned in your own post. Crits don't give you additional energy back from Combat Potency as a Sword Spec proc WOULD. SS isn't on a hidden cooldown, so as your haste scales, your DPS goes up exponentially dude to the "natural" increased attacks as well as increased specials from the CP regen running rampant.
I don't even play a Rogue, and I know this. L2P.
评论来自
124558
Buttspawn, yes swordspec naturally gives a bigger dps increase than fist spec, but stop calling everyone a noob when you dont even play the class yourself and you're letting out as big a load of crap as themselves... swordspec procs, both those that proc off offhand and mainhand attacks, give an extra mainhand hit, and since combat potency only procs off offhand hits it wont give any increased energy regeneration. The fact that offhand sword spec procs giving a mainhand hit while an offhand fist crit will add damage equivalent to an extra offhand hit makes sword spec superior in most cases (unless your mainhand is a load of poo lawl)
Over and out!
评论来自
163297
did shattered halls heroic
blue geared hunter
resto druid
feral druid
rogue
and fury war (me)
we had sap on some groups if it was possible wasnt in a risky of pulling anything and trap whenever the hunter was awake really, most of the time he did it too late or someone accidently dotted it lol
was great fun
评论来自
goblinego
I think this could be like lvl 50's one-handed sword.
评论来自
legoman60
Coming from an experienced Enh shaman, if the player is skilled and knows the spell rotations an enhancement shaman is insane dps. I've watch a Zul'aman geared Enh shaman fight a
skilled
T6 warlock for the top dps spot in ZA. If you need CC yes a shaman does lack but, as a utility and as dps an enhancement shaman is invaluable.
评论来自
bebbe
Unlike most TBC procs, this proc does not have a hidden cooldown, which makes it very inconsistent. I've had it proc 8 times in 30 seconds, and had it not proc at all for 20 minutes.
The whole idea with having a hidden cooldown on procs, and a high proc chance, is to make the proc more or less guaranteed every once in a while, consistently, this proc is more like the pre-tbc procs, entirely based on chance.
评论来自
Corbis
They need to fix so many fist weapons...like this and
https://www.cuckhead.com/cata/item=37631
and some others, stab whoever is wielding them, or go into the side of their leg.
评论来自
agentex50
As much as this will surely anger 'gnomish' players....this thing doesnt belong on a gnome.
you cant even see half the thing cuz it goes straight into the ground :S
Seeing a Tauren or Drenai wielding this is much more preferable XD
评论来自
152977
Seeing the weapon with a gnome model scared me.
评论来自
undeadflamingo
Whether or not this is worth it comes to down to a single fact: This is THE BLADEFIST. You killed the warchief of the fel horde and cut of his sword/fist hybrid!
评论来自
Eldoron
it's amazing that back in BC an item could be like this, no primary stats on it, only some haste, boom there you go :O
评论来自
Rtucci
Transmog says hi
评论来自
251701
This is just a spectacular weapon, I'm on PTR right now and looking for it to drop, gonna check out if it's possible to trasmogriph it.
Teorically not, because it has a proc effect but no raw stats such stamina, agility.. still, would be so stupid blizz forgets about this weapon, even because of the lack of Fist Weapons on the current state of the game..
If I'll get it, I'll post about!
评论来自
shadey81
I can confirm this can be transmogged, worked on the ptr.
I guess the fact it still has a proc it isn't counted as a statless piece of equipment
评论来自
TGFseb15
If you are farming The Bladefist with plans of transmogging do note that most of Shattered Halls mobs can be skipped, saving a lot of time per clear. Most of the 2 man "guards" that are usually around a chokepoint leading into a hallway or a room won't be skippable but everyone else will. Also do note that engaging Kargath will also pull any remaining bosses that you may have skipped. Not sure about
血卫士伯鲁恩
but
战争使者沃姆罗格
will come running if you leave him alive. Drop rate seems accurate from wowhead's stats but RNG is still RNG so be ready to go entire month of every day farming with no luck.
评论来自
390013
Is it possible to transmog left hand too or are there any other weapon with the same skin for the left hand?
评论来自
594361
Just got this while farming for the two hand mace, must be extremely rare, ive ran this place probably thousands of times by now over multiple toons and this is the first time ive ever seen it drop. Awesome weapon though, makes your arm look giant.
评论来自
Nigo22
Got this yesterday me and my mate was running HC's for rep with honor hold and i got it. Awesome transmog
评论来自
Kcab3012
Someone called hook captain?
评论来自
gwarp
MoP will change all ex MH fists to one-hand, and will be no more MH fits.
So you can and you MUST dual-wield this sucker!
评论来自
Nynaeve
Along with many other fist weapons in the game, such as
Fist of Deity
, this will become one-hand in MoP, and will finally be usable in either hand (and transmog to either hand).
Very exciting news for those of you who always wished this had an offhand equiv!
评论来自
Allakhazam
to be honest with you, if your lvl 70, and have not 1 thing blue or green, except your tabbard and shirt, means you have no life at all...
评论来自
Allakhazam
im on it to get it. gonna use it with 21/0/40 hemo spec <3 imbaaa . looking forward to it
评论来自
Allakhazam
lol Unique Main-hand? Draneis will be able to wear Main-hand weapons in Off-hand?
评论来自
Allakhazam
i was just wondering if the chance on hit is counting both ranged and melee or if it is only melee
评论来自
Allakhazam
With a name that long, it has to be good.
评论来自
Allakhazam
gief more fist weapons
评论来自
Allakhazam
Kargath -- heroic mode. Last boss in Shattered Halls.
评论来自
Allakhazam
Haste rating ftw!
An Eskhandar's claw for level 70 that doesn't suck.
评论来自
Allakhazam
This looks great on Orc males/Tauren males.
Totally getting it with ym orc rogue :) ... currently Sub, will switch combat for this lil'baby.
评论来自
Allakhazam
This item looks amazing.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v254/argylesock/bladefist.jpg
Edited, Feb 28th 2007 9:50am by Hawb
评论来自
Allakhazam
Think of a Gnome using this....HAHA!......
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评论来自
Allakhazam
OMFG HUNTER!
评论来自
Allakhazam
Very nice topend damage. If only the speed would've been 2.80 or higher it would've been "the" hemo weapon.
I hate Blizzard for it ;o
评论来自
Allakhazam
Wow finally some fist weapons!
评论来自
Thottbot
This drops from Kargath in Heroic mode.
评论来自
Thottbot
nice to see that blizz is doing some work in the fist weapons category
评论来自
Thottbot
this wep is hilarious on a gnome!
评论来自
Thottbot
heroic shattered halls
评论来自
Thottbot
I have this weapon with mongoose and it procs quite a bit.
I also have the Abacus of Violent Odds. This, plus the lightning speed, the haste is ridiculous. :)
评论来自
Thottbot
get a life man?
评论来自
Thottbot
Imagine this dual wielded with blackout truncheon with abbacus of violent odds and both with mongoose.
评论来自
Thottbot
If Bruce Campbell played WoW, he'd have this by now... and he'd be messing up Deadites left and right. WoW needs to create "The Chainsawfist" for all of us Evil Dead nerds... maybe an expansion idea for engineers?... call me blizz!
评论来自
Thottbot
Just lost this to a ninja hunter. Myself (warrior) and a rogue rolled Need on it (It's the reason I was running the instance) and then we were shocked to see the hunter roll Need as well. His reason? "yeah i can use it for tight spots". Incidentally, he already had two epic one handers equipped, both with actual stats that were much better suited to a hunter's needs.
If you play on Silvermoon (US), avoid grouping with Foodmaxxfabo. It's dumbasses like him that give hunters a bad name.
*!@#$%^ ftl.
评论来自
Thottbot
would this wepon work with flurry and mongoose and bloodlust with all this buffed it would be faster than 1.0 sec attack speed now thats insane with WF wepon
评论来自
Thottbot
I have the Blade of Infamy but at a 1% drop rate I gave it a try to see how the haste proc's. The ppm is more than once a minute, in fact it can proc again RIGHT AWAY. With my other BT haste gear and abacus it was up to 38% haste, hmmmmmmm.
评论来自
Thottbot
/wank at this item. should drop a wep that looked liek this from first boss in ramp to
评论来自
Thottbot
Are there any weapons out there that match the bladefist for offhand?
评论来自
Thottbot
just read history of kaegath,in this weapon was put instead of his left hand when he himself cut it of....so why the hell is it main hand wep? lol
评论来自
Thottbot
Yay just got this on my druid.
What?
I collect fist weapons...
评论来自
Tahuma
(PRE-Classic-BC speculation)
This weapon grants melee/range haste, not to be confused with Spell haste, which would mean that anyone trying to game the system of proccing this weapon to get an 11.3% (haste rating divided by amount of haste per 1% haste bonus, or 180/15.8) will not affect anything considered a Spell.
At 2.6 speed, this will make for a strong, 'slow' main hand weapon, as it can only be equipped in the main-hand anyways. This weapon could theoretically be used by a hunter trying to get a cheeky proc, however since this weapon has no base stats, you will be banking on the proc alone for damage. Feral druids, if I recall correctly, still can not proc weapon effects, and are stuck with stat stick staves and polearms.
This weapon has no bonus stats, so it may be a downgrade depending on your current weapon set-up, especially if you rely on your weapon to reach hit cap, want expertise to reduce the amount of times an enemy dodges your attacks, or you are playing a warrior or rogue who is using sword specialization
and who currently is using two swords.
If anyone nabs this before I do, please let me know if you can proc the buff and weapon-swap without losing its buff. It could make for potential risky (to your dps) plays to weapon swap off Bladefist after an opener just for the haste buff, since 11.3% haste is pretty damn nice, assuming you have a strong weapon replacement.
If you are like me and really want this weapon, but want to know of some alternative weapon choices for your Mainhand that are slow weapons (around 2.6 speed), there is
魔血剔骨者
Shattered Halls ,
宇宙之刃
(sword) Mechanar, and
反射拳刃
Arcatraz. These are all of the slow main-hand weapon drops from dungeons at lv70, there's lots of faster weapons that can be used as well if you're so inclined to give them a try.
And above all else. The bladefist gives you style points, which is often the most desired stat of all.
评论来自
nookclassicwow
hey all so i did some of my own testing on this items proc rate this morning. i play an enh shaman and attacked the target dummies on ptr with only bladefist equipped (wf on it as well) and used details to track attacks/procs. I also used the in game stopwatch to roughly time the time between procs. In 574 auto attacks and 196 WF procs there were 16 bladestorm procs, with 6 of those procs overwriting previous procs ( i think this was kind of a an anomaly but i dont think it matters much, im not really trying to look at up time here). watching my in game timer and the buff uptime i saw instances of bladestorm overwriting itself 3x in about 5-10 seconds. I saw a miracle instance of 3 procs in 40 seconds perfectly lining themselves up without overlap, and i also saw large gaps between procs, the longest being around 1:45. I know this isnt the largest sample size but i think it conclusively proves that there is no ICD at the very least. using these numbers it looks like there is around a 2% proc chance for fist to proc. id say the 2% proc rate is up to some margin of error, i suspect it is slightly higher than this. Also for those curious even with bad overlapping and no offhand or cds i was getting around a 24% uptime in this window of ~600 hits.
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