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Comment by 227538

I was lucky enough to get one of the Brewfest mounts, but I also know a lot of people who didn't. If the Proto-Drake wasn't a 310% mount the luck element might be bearable, but it's the sort of thing that very few people will pass up the chance to get. As it is there's little more to do than hope you get it; the only consolation is that the Proto-Drake won't be attainable until Brewfest next year anyway, which means that even having to wait for next year wouldn't be so bad.

Comment by 232628

Well, Blizz says they're not going to change the requirement for this achievement, they're happy with it the way it is.

Post here

We have no plans to change this achievement or remove it from the meta achievement. The drop rates were adjusted from last year to be more forgiving, so third-party data concerning the drop rate isn't accurate. A Mask For All Occasions was far, far less likely to complete within Hallow's End than Sinister Calling; the latter is reasonable enough to remain within Hallowed Be Thy Name.

Comment by Idanian

I've run this 20 times before today. I've seen 3 pets and 2 helms... Which to me is an increase on the pet drop rate. However, the helm seems to have dropped less based on last year's experiences... Still no mount though.

I'm just down to this and the Toothpick achievement for the title. (An average of 30 possible packages and nothing. Meanwhile my lv. 1 shaman has over 60 toothpicks and a flawless grin.)

When in doubt, though, get some guildies and "buy out" their roll for the stuff...

Comment by 125087

in the first 3 kills 2 helms dropped.

40-50 kills total now, no horse, no more helms, no pet, and only 4 brooms, nor the plate helmet.

Comment by 125087

I wish the game would be smart and NOT drop a ring EVERYbody already has. tired of seeing

you have automaticly passed on
person 1 has auctomacitly passed on because they already have it
person 2 " "
person 3 " "
person 4 " "
Everybody has passed on

Comment by Starkie

I just got finished with a run, and the 2nd to last summon, the pet dropped, which I was lucky enough to win the roll on, the last summon, the helm dropped, which I was un-lucky enough to not win, but oh well, still two weeks to go. I think its honestly just a case of getting really, really lucky.

Comment by thycondrius

u can obatain the mini pet in the trick or threat bag. Today i have found it and i complete all the hallowed end fest achievement

Comment by 233721

I have some guildies who have been helping me get extra summons by us swapping out alts. Average 10-20 summons a night. Tonight will be our 4th night.

I've seen the mount 1. plate helm 6. hallowed helm 3. And the sword enough times that even a priest has it. But not yet to see the pet.

The best rule we've came up with is "These are no longer luxery items, they are quest items. If your not going for it, you cannot roll for it."

Blizzard honestly goofed on this one regardless of what they think, if average of 3/5 people wanted the pet and assuming a 2.5% drop rate. In theory that would be 120 summons by the same 5 people for everyone to acquire it. Or 24 days worth of 5 summons if that was all you were allowed. Last I checked there's only 16 days of hollows end.

Comment by 233787

A fantastic method of completing the achievement. Me and 3 friends went in this afternoon and rotated random 65's in for their summons. In three hours we had Sinister Squashling X4, Hallowed Helm X1 and 3 swords. Oh and all the 65's got their epic rings as promised.

Comment by 178420

The Sinister Squashling and Hallowed Helm now drop from trick or treat bags given by innkeepers. High drop rate supposedly.

Comment by 2OfDiamonds

This might cheer you up!

I just pulled my sinister squashling out of a treat bag I got handed by an inn keeper for trick or treating.

FLEX!

I just got a helm out of a treat bag.

I already had one.

http://img72.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wowscrnshot102208101007rn6.jpg

And a blue response: Q u o t e:
I'll go ahead and put the speculation to rest by confirming that this change is indeed legitimate. ;)

Have fun you guys, this brought a smile to my face at least.

<3

Comment by 233876

i just got mine from the squash the pumpkin

Comment by 130170

both the Hallowed Helm and Sinister Squashling can now be looted from trick or treating innkeepers. I believe this is a hotfix from 22/10 (or 10/21 for US I guess)

Comment by 234165

The helm dropped 3times the same day for me. n the pet has sofar dropped twice for me. tho on different toons so i don´t have the quest completed yet :(.
With that said i think the droprate is better then u´d think.

Comment by 3207

Just verifying that they do actually come out of treat bags as well. I saw a level 5 yesterday with one . I was rather aggravated...

Comment by kuonji

I have been trick-or-treating as often as I can since the hotfix. I'd say at least 15 times. Neither have dropped for me yet. At this rate, I believe I'll complete the masks achievement before the sinister calling achievement.

Comment by chilichump

I have done atleast 9 HH's per day, 5-6 trick or treats per day, and the "put out the fires" daily every day... I've seen maybe 5 squashling drop in all of that time.

9x9 = 81 attempts on HH (at least, probably closer to 100 total attempts)

so we're looking at a maximum of a 5% drop chance. The helm, I've seen 8-10 of since I got one from a trick or treat bag.

I've got 5 days left to get this done, and I don't like my chances. This shouldn't be such a hard thing to do, the drop rate should be closer to 25%, so that you've got at least a 1 in 5 chance of getting 1 every day.

Comment by Starkie

Alright, I have to share this experience with all of you, because it has to be by far the funniest thing I've ever had happen to me.

One of the first runs of this year, I happened to get the pet, and my best friend, on his own run, but near the beginning of the event, got the hallowed helm.

Now, since that time, we've both been trying our damnedest to get the other one, each day running and failing, on our own. But today, we finally decided, that maybe we'd have better luck running it together, so we did.

The first 3 kills, no luck, whatever, whats new. But on the 4th kill, low and behold, the hallowed helm drops! I am so stoked, I need, and everyone else passes! Bam, its mine, and so is the achievement, and so is the title (Once they remove the mask one). Excited, I proceed to summon the 5th and final fight, we kill him, and what do our eyes see? but the pet! So, my friend nearly @#$%ing his pants, needs, and everyone else PASSES.

I can not believe that just happened.

Thought you might all enjoy that story.

Comment by 236832

Well it's defenitly do-able. i got mine pet today. i were lucky got the helm + broom on the very first day. But i killed the headlesshorseman like 40 times. Today i saw the pet drop for the very first time. i needed , it was an group with all friends so they gave it to me for the tittle.

So guys you have to work for it. it may be an hard achievment. if you guys want an easy tittle go get the "jenkins" tittle

Comment by shohanu

people are saying this is gonna be one of the most difficult achievements to get cuz of low drop rate and stuff. but considering hallows end is like 2 weeks long u can trick or treat once an hour and u can get both these items from the bag (however small the chance is) it shouldnt be too difficult. 3 loots a day should get u it but some people might get lucky.I just started again after losing my 70 and happened to get the helm 2nd trick or treat and the squashling 3rd but my friend got helm 2nd squashling like 30th so its all luck just keep trying youll get it

Comment by Yttrium

Is it possible for me to delete my Hallowed Helm after I have the achievement? I have a severe lack of bag and bankspace as it is and I don't want an item that I will never wear.

Comment by Arikara

I hate the squashling... two and a half years bck i wanted it, killed HH nearly everyday for the time of the world event. Didnt get!
one and a half year bck... i still wanted it, but this time badder due to achievement. did i get it? nope. did every achievement but this (i got the helm, ofc) except A mask for Every Occasion.
a half year out the future: i stand in SM at 00:01 shouting GIVE ME MY SQUASHLING, HORSEMAN!

Comment by Thakor

This is the most idiotic achievement in history, and should not be part of the meta. You are required to get 2 items that have impossibly low drop rates, and not only that, if they do drop, you have to win the roll against 4 other people, meaning that however low the drop rate is, your chance realistically of getting it is going to be 20% of that. Ridiculous. Even if they drop from treat bags, myself and my friends who participated in the halloween event this past year were unable to get both drops no matter how hard we tried. One of my friends ran the horseman 5+ times a day the entire event and never even saw the pet drop and he also trick or treated nearly every time his cd was up. This is by far the most unforgiving and impossible achievement for the meta.

Comment by Haxan

This achivement gives me nightmares. I have done Hallows End for two years, killed Headless Horseman almost every day and never got the Sinister Squashling. And the droprate for it seems awfully low. Because of this I didnt complete this achivement last year. Blizzard must increse the droprate, both from the boss or from the bags or this will be as terrible as the "Be Mine" - achivement during Love is in the air.

Comment by 240801

Trading head to some other person after you get it doesnt work for achievement,friend traded me hallowed head and i didnt get credit for my achievement,so you need to loot it or to win in on roll if it drops from headless horseman!
Good luck with drops,but it seems that blizzard has inscreased chance since we saw 2 pets and 1 head droped from our very first run this year :)
Drop chance on pet seems to be very very high,2 runs 5 pet drops

Comment by 111622

You won't get credit through Trading.

Comment by 49893

You CAN get credit through trading. I was traded the helm earlier tonite by someone who already had credit but mistakenly won the helm.

Initially I did not get credit towards the achievement. However, after going through a loading screen, I was given credit - the helm is not soulbound to me yet so I could conceivably trade it to someone else as well.

IT DOES WORK. Just go through a loading screen to do it.

Comment by 303016

Contrary to the aforementioned unfortunate luck of many of you, I managed to have the Helm drop within my first day's set of runs. Only needing this as I had the pet from last year, I rolled and I won.

I can understand why so many you are frustrated at having to fight the dreaded RNG to finish this achievement and earn the Violet Proto; been there, done that (and I suffer from Anxiety too, ouch). That said, you don't want to trivialize something you work so hard for, no matter how desperately you want it, otherwise it loses it's special nature.

Take it from someone who's completed the grand meta, it's so worth earning this the right way. Give it your all and you will get it.

Good luck!

Comment by Cirayne

I just got both the Sinister Squashing and Hallowed Helm from a Crudely Wrapped Gift.

You get that from doing the daily put out the fire at the starting towns, IE Goldshire, Kharanos, and Azure Watch (For Alliance), and smash the pumpkin from the Headless Horseman.

Hope this helps.

Comment by 471454

Pretty freakin lame blizz is making this achievement required for the title. Considering it is based on luck and we have no control over acquiring the items. They should increase the drop rates or make them purchasable items with the otherwise useless pumpkin treats. Ive alrdy got 95% of the achievs for title, but im concerned about this last one....

Comment by rkaycom

If you have the item traded to you and keep it, will the other person lose the achievement when they relog?

Edit: Its just that the way I see it, the person that keeps the item gets the achievement, not the one that wins the roll, what if it was on master loot? There wouldn't be a roll...

Comment by 438654

Just got one out of a treat bag - was extremely excited when I saw this. Just keep trying any way you can - you'll eventually get it.

Comment by 473043

Last night we looted the helm and traded it to all 5 people in the group.
Went out the instance and back in, on the achievement tab it turned Green.
But when i logged in this morning it was gone again.

I dont know if we should have relogged while having the helm equipped (didnt try that).
And I also dont know what happens when y already have the pet.

Comment by Sithicus

So I've lost the roll on the Squashling 3 times and can't seem to get it out of a Treat Bag. Granted it's still very early in the event and there's plenty of time to try and get one...problem is when my entire meta is riding on the luck of getting it (literally ....everything is done except Sinister Calling), it's making the event stressful and not fun at all. Didn't Blizz say at one point that they wanted to remove any random drops from the meta completely? I'm pretty sure that's why they removed Perma Peddle...I know I'm just being qq here but it still sucks...seriously ..an entire years worth of work riding on dumb luck. :\

Comment by 381520

Blahalbalbab it seems is doesnt work.... i thought it would as that dude bought it from me for 300g but nvm then lol

Comment by Hairband

Is there any objective way to tell how often both items, Sinister Squashling pet and Hallowed Helm drop from their respective sources (pumpkin smash daily, trick or treat hourly treat bags, or daily Headless Horseman summon)? Thanks.

Comment by highwind123

Is this "hallowed helm" really in game ?

I killed the hhm ~50 times last year and ~10 times this year.
I got TWO hhm mounts out of him.
I used the trick or treat option at the inkeeper probably about 100 times last year and this year.
I got probably about 20 pets.

And guess what... the hallowed helm achievment is the ONLY thing which stands between my warrior alt and my 310% mount. nice rng blizzard, really nice rng.

Comment by 77705

I don't know what the hell everyone else is talking about when they said trading it works. This is what happened to me.

Some stupid ******* rolled on the helm by mistake (didn't need it and didn't mean to roll on it) and won it, auto looted it, then traded it to me.

I don't get credit because I didn't loot it. All I need is that ****ing Hallowed Helm. I got screwed because of someone else's mistake and Blizzards ****ing flawed system....

Comment by Ooglepants

This seems to be the hardest (or most luck intensive) part of the achievement. I have been doing the daily and have NEVER seen the helm drop. 2 characters, 10 times a day (almost every day thus far) and trick or treated 10-15 times. I'm hoping that since I've gotten everything BUT the helm, the gods of blizzard will somehow increase my chances of getting it. The pet seems to be a much higher drop rate - to the point that I have gotten two by accident on my characters. Best of luck, but certainly I am getting slightly anxious at this point on seeing it drop.

Comment by 475909

In case you havent seen this blue post

We wanted to take a moment to clarify how the Sinister Calling achievement works for Hallow’s End. The text says that both a Hallowed Helm and a Sinister Squashling pet need to be “obtained” for the achievement to be complete. More specifically, the pet needs to be learned and become part of your pet spell book for that part to be complete. The Hallowed Helm on the other hand needs to be looted by the character to fulfill that aspect of the achievement.

We apologize for any confusion in this matter and hope you enjoy the rest of Hallow’s End!

The trading techinc work like a charm for me. Another person looted the helm (won the roll) and he traded it back to me. At first i didnt got the achivement BUT after getting out of SM it popped green. (havent got the pet yet from sinister calling).

Strange thing is a guildie tried to do the same yesterday but didnt earned credit for the achivement. (maybe he did something wrong dunno).

Anyway hoping for the pet to drop for me real soon :)

Comment by Llethalas

Just a heads up for those who didn't find it clear in the above posts. YOU CANNOT GET ACHIEVEMENT CREDIT FOR THIS IF YOU TRADE FOR EITHER ITEM. YOU MUST LOOT BOTH PERSONALLY FROM EITHER TREAT BAGS OR Mr. HORSEMAN. Ok sorry for caps, but I wanted to clear this up since I saw conflicting posts about this above. I tried trading a party member for it and zoned back to Dalaran and still no achievement credit. Hope this helps.

Comment by 343516

i must be extremely lucky. i got my sinister squashling at my very first run at headless horsman!
still i miss the helm lol

Comment by 473940

you know the truth is that im not afraid to work for an achievement, the feeling of accomplishment is a great one. i still have to agree though this drop rate is sad.

my wife and i have killed the horsemen everyday, we are at 30 - 35 kills and ive only seen the Helm drop 2 times (i dont even care if i get the mount right now). fortunately for us we have only gone with guild members and that has given us a better chance, if we were in random groups who knows if we both would ever get the pet and helm. (she finally finished her Meta last night when the pet dropped). im still waiting, while im at work she is trick or treating for me every waking hour on the hour. still nothing...

if blizzard is so determined to make this apart of the Meta why not change it to obtain the pet OR the helm, and if you happen to get both drops then have an achievement for that just not a requirement to finish the Meta. agree?

it sucks to know that like most others, i finished all the achievements in the first couple of days. (with the exception of some glitch candy buckets) there is a chance that i wont get this title this year.

Comment by 476730

I've had a guildie who has gotten the pet eight times. Blizzard should make the pet b.o.e. I even tried writing a ticket to see if they could move the pet I got on a toon last year that I never use now to my main.

Comment by 477977

I dont know about the everyone else but i am getting sick and tired of blizz makeing achivments only realy close to doableif you are a high level, the laugth is it seems complete random even if you can get trick or treat.
Ofcouse this would be a good opatunity for blizz to reward good manners if are youare polite and friendly to the inn keeperby rewarding with a treat punching them with a trick for bad manners.
Then maybe they might try it with the healer class and find more of us willing to help, as I am defently sick coments
when in a party like priest come :(

Comment by 478293

Countless hours, toons, dings, achievements, guilds and good times..... and after it all, it's going to be this ridiculous Squashling that turns me off this game for good. lol/sigh

Comment by Animalistic

heck, i think they musta fixed it... just got the pet and learnt it, and a party-mate got the helm and traded it to me.. no achievement. Relogged and didn't get it either. Have been moving about through different zones, no achievement.

Comment by 478771

On my level 30 Warlock, every hour I would hearth, get trick/treat, vendor items and get repairs. Doing that, I got both the helm and the pet within a week of the event beginning. Last year I got 2 helms and one pet. This is available for any level.

Comment by lufebr

Guys,

The Sinister Calling achievement is totally unfair to be considered mandatory for the meta achievement.
The probability of getting the items are very very low. Even if you play 24 hours per day, every day during the 2 weeks of event, you still have a chance of not getting the achievement at all.

Im my case: I play wow every day, and i'm doing everything that i can to get the achievement: Since the first day, I'm getting a bag from the innerkeper every hour i play, i'm doing the daily every day, and i'm also killing the boss every day.

To improve my chances, I begged for help, and my friends are now doing everything they can to help me too. So, i'm killing the boss about 8 times a day (with no competition for the helm, if it drops, its mine), and I'm also getting 1 bag every hour even when i'm working.

The result: After 12 days doing all that, I got dozens of Sinister Squashlings, and 16 different masks. Still, no single Hallowed Helm yet.

Of course I've been unlucky.... but.. should all that effort be worth nothing? Should this achievement be so impossible?
In 2 days the event will end, and my chances are getting shorter...

One year acomplishing every world event.. and I may have to wait for one more year to get the 310% mount, just because one of the achievements is lucky based, with a really low drop rate.

In my oppinion, Blizzard should consider the drop rate a bug, and make this achievement, and all other lucky based ones, not required for the mount.

Blizzard, please fix the Sinister Calling.

Comment by 442454

Well, there's always next halloween... right?
*begins a mad little giggle as left eyelid begins to twitch*
RIGHT!

damn you, squashling.
damn you.

-.-

Comment by Thundurstar

It was the only thing I needed last year.... now it is also the only thing I need next year. Saw it drop 2 times, lost both rolls. Never got it from trick-or-treating. So upsetting.

Comment by Thundurstar

Take this out blizzard! As soon as it's out. Send me my drake because im officially done. :(

Comment by Samphis

After an extremely frustrating experience of attempting every day for the summon, and every hour for the trick or treat, and not getting the pet, but having gotten (and gotten credit for) the helm, I just noticed both in-game and on the armory no longer having credit for the helm, yet I still have it in my bank. I hope this means that the achievement is being retuned into a vendor-style holiday item like Noblegarden was. I really don't want to be one random piece of loot away from my proto drake AGAIN.

Comment by Lutenantj

i am saying from experience that if you do not get both the pet and the helm in the same year, it resets the achievement (i was like WTF?)
i got the helm, not the pet
the pet did drop multiple times for me, but i had bad luck
have fun!

Comment by PhantomsDesire

Oh joy, It's taken me 3 years come Hallow's End to finally earn the meta achievement (because I missed random holidays throughout the years.) and now after reading all these comments, I am REALLY nervous about getting my final title "The Hallowed". Cripes, I hope they have adjusted the drop rates, because when I go for these holiday titles, I definitely put forth the effort, just like everyone's mentioned. I'm bustin' out my Sam doll from the movie "Trick r' Treat" for luck! Merry Samhain everyone..........

Comment by MingtheMerciless

This achievement was a real pain in the arse for me. I kept doing the fire and horseman dailies and trick-or-treating whenever i could, and the f-ing pet didn't drop! I got the hallowed helm 3 or 4 times though -.- My increasingly desperate search for it came to an end on the second last day when i looted it from the Headless Horseman, i need rolled on it and won it! I then smacked it upside the head for not coming to me earlier, stupid pumpkin! >:(
Blizz should really remove this from being part of the meta-achievement.

Comment by johankj

You will now get that items in Loot-Filled Pumpkin
You can only get "one" every day until hallows's end ends.

You will get this:

when you have open your Loot-Filled Pumpkin

Good luck with Hallow's End =)

Comment by Grigor12

This got to be taken out of the meta since the latest update with server-wide parties, atleast in my opinion since now, it won't even drop off the boss anymore but instead it will be like brewfest and be lootable from your bag you get..! Silly updates since you can't farm them anymore!

I mean come on... just having luck to try and get an achievment ONCE a year is absurd!

I mean for example, the "We had it all along! *cough*" achievement may require a whole bag of luck, but then again that achievement is available 365 days a year! Instead of this achievement that is only available 14 days a year!

Shape up Blizz! :/

Comment by 671902

agree

it was bad last year, on another char I never managed to get the pet, and I farmed the boss several times

Now we have only 1 chance a day? That's just retarded..i need only the hallowed title to get my violet drake but I'll never get it, it seems

Since lfg came out I've never been able to get a mount or pet from a seasonal boss..ahune? no luck with the pet
brewfest? people running around with two mounts, sometimes even dropping em twice and I was lucky enough to get a mace and vendor it

c'mon blizz, remove this from the meta

Comment by 414006

I have only needed this achieve for the past six months to get my purple drake. I was unlucky last year and could not get a Sinister Squashling to drop. Although, I did get the Hallowed Helm last year. So on the first day of Hallow's End this year, BAM, I get a Sinister Squashling from the Cuddle-Wrapped gift. But, no achievement pops up so I check it out and it shows the Hallowed Helm part as incomplete even though I have it equipped from last year? Should I open a ticket?

Comment by 377117

same here, I've been lucky to get the Brewfest Kodo to drop for me but for this to be a part of a meta achivement is just crazy. I got most of my other achives by effort now I have to depend on luck which I don't have much off bcuz RNG doesn't favour me. Having run for Deathcharger and Hawkstrider and they haven't drop for me

Comment by gni3w

All i can say, THIS IS JUST NUTS, I've been doing every Achv, holiday since this year, because i wanna get proto drake! SO FAR SO GOOD, only missing this holiday and xmas one, and i can get it so i was looking through stuff i need to do AND NO WAY IN HELL I will be able to get 2 items! I HAVE THE WORST LUCK in my life ever! I will try!.

This is just plain stupid. FML.

btw we should post this crap on blizz web site and tell 'em. I Will file a ticket to GM asking to remove this crap from HH and do for daily or something, or better drop rate, anything to get it easier since ppl been trying, hard

Comment by 684326

This is the 3rd year waiting for the damn helm and pet to drop. Achievements should not have to rely on pure luck, just hard work. If I don't get it this year Blizz can kiss my ass goodbye, not that they give a sh%t! They think by making us wait yet another year we will keep paying, nice scam!

Comment by 598632

All I really have to say is that if and item is called a "Loot-Filled Pumpkin" it should be filled with loot. Even if it is only the flying broom when it isn't one of the other items. I like many others have been waiting on this singular achievement for my proto-drake, and to receive nothing other than the justice points from the boss is more than a bit frustrating.

Comment by Chigyy

my Sinister Squashling dropped today in treat bag....i thought that it drops only once in Horseman daily..
but it also drops in a treat bag...
so im waitin for the helm...
and good luck all with the title...

Comment by 471535

To get this achievement, i cranked some numbers, which may or may not be right, i'm no statistician but i've seen it done :P

Numbers here are done Using Drop data information from wowhead here. which may be out of date.

For a Level 80 character:

There are a total of 336 attempts (14*24) to Trick or Treat from an innkeeper.
-16 of those attempts can be tossed out due to tuesday maintenance (sometimes more, sometimes less)
-50% of those remaining are automatic Failures, due to Trick.
-That leaves 160 Treat Bags to open to try to get the Pet and Hat.
-So, the chance at NOT getting each item is 98.7% (1.3% droprate for both)

0.987 ^ 160 = 12.3% chance at the end of it all still not walking away with each one from Treat Bags.

Now for the 'fuzzy math' of people needing to Sleep, Work/School, do something other than sit and watch that hour count down. I sleep about 8 hours a day, have class four hours a day and have a wedding trip to attend for a full weekend w/o WoW during the event (not my own though~).

-8*11 (sleep) + 24*3 (wedding) + 8*4 (classes). = 192 total chances gone, I'll trim those right off the top.
-I have about 120 Chances to get a bag or 60 Bags over the course of this holiday.
-0.987 ^ 60 = 45% chance for me to NOT get each of the two items from the Trick or Treat Bags.

"There's the daily for putting out fires!"

0.982 ^ 14 = 77% of not getting it. (81% for me!) At an average of the 1.7% &1.9% droprates

"But wait, there's still the headless horseman event!"

7% chance at getting either drop from him.
0.93 ^ 14 = 36 % chance at NOT getting it. (I have about a 45% chance at not getting either this method too, due to missing a few days)

Working the figures for my personal case now we get 0.45*0.45*0.91 = 0.164 or 16.4% chance at not seeing each item.

Now since i need both items, that means 0.836*0.836=0.6988 or 69.9% chance at getting both this entire holiday for a 'normal' person.

TLDR version -
I have only a 70% chance at getting this, mathematically... with no skill involved... this doesn't sit well with me.

This is the Last achievement i need for Hallow's End so... i begin my wait...

Comment by 144992

I see im not alone with this... I'm just missing this one for the whole Meta... Sigh if i can't make it this year, wich will be most likely...

Good luck to everyone else... :)

**EDIT**

6 Helms so far... WTB mount please? :)

Comment by Kannas

After the mount failure that was my Brewfest, the RNG gods are looking out for me. Can I get the odds of getting the Helm from my first trick or treat, and the pet from my first HH kill ever?

Comment by 661123

Two years ago I got the sinister squashling on my Auction wench. Went to the bucket... did the trick or treat and got it... first and only try. I did a little dance. Now, I struggle to get it on my main where I'm actually trying to do the achievement. Karma?

Comment by shipwrecksos

For every other World Event so far this year, Blizzard has taken these "rare drop" pets and items and made them obtainable through some kind of seasonal specific currency through a vendor, or removed the item from the meta-achievement requirements, or BOTH. So, why they decided not to make some kind of "Hallow's End" currency/vendors for this stuff is beyond me. It would have saved SO much frustration for so many players!

Comment by Mymloch

I'll agree that this is ridiculous. I don't feel good about not being able to get the violet proto achievement just because of a small, seemingly insignificant non-combat pet.

I would think Blizzard would have made the achievement require you to get either one or the other, but to have 2 RNG items required for a single achievement is a little much. I mean, they might as well have left the Flimsy Masks achievement on the block, as well.

I am trick or treating every hour, and have my wife doing it for me while I am at work. I am running HH and Fire daily as well. If doing that, one still has a good chance of NOT getting a single achievement item, then that's simply bad form.

Comment by 674925

Has anyone made a petition from the players to Blizzard about dropping this achievement from the Hallowed be Thy Name requirements? I see so many high ratings on people suggesting it be event currency/vender items, and other suggestions o'course. I'd sign the petition if there is one currently out there for this, it's just ridiculous. even with the increased drops just from the horseman, most people spend their days parked in front of an innkeeper, TrT'ing on the hour, praying they don't get a trick, and hoping the helm or pet drops this time. I for one, got eight penny pouches in a row after a days worth of tricks.

I think almost all the achievs' within each separate yearly event for What a long, strange trip it's been' (if not all, I'm not sure) require some skill and determination to do- and somehow gaining a pet with a low drop rate, (even if raised a lot from previous years, there are still tons of people who never see it for them) just...doesn't feel more than pure, gut-wrenching woe and anger when its been a year, and another...and another. While Blizzard assuradly wants us to keep paying to play all those years of failure, I'd think they might want their players actually sticking around for more reasons than this. We may never see this change, but hey, they DID change the brew-fest achievement because we complained about it enough, perhaps if we shake the walls a little more we can get this one changed, dropped from the meta, or venderized.

Comment by 435154

I keep getting both the helm and the squashling, but ONLY on those that already got it. To get both of them is disasterous difficult.

This is due to the Random Number Generator they use in WoW. Due to the seeding in this RNG, often the same result (or lack of result) repeats itself over and over for a period of time.

And we all feel it very well for the most awful meta achievement ever. I rather do something sure that takes 2 hours, than have to gamble day out and in for those 2 items.

Comment by 687498

According to mmo as of about 3 or 4 days ago, master riding WILL in fact be given for long strange trip. I understand there was some confusion because of debate but blizz released it was so fairly recently.

Comment by wolfie614

This is becoming beyond a joke.

I have one toon who has been trying to get this for the last three years. Still not got either.

I just watched a quildie of mine get both the Helm and the pet in the same run. And he normally does not go for any of the achievements.

My missus also now has 3 pets on one toon, and no helm.

I understand that random is random, but PLEASE, what do we have to do to get this!

HH runs every morning, Put out the fire and loot the pumpkin head, Trick or Treat every hour (about 13 per day), on every toon, and not one has both the pet and helm yet.

Comment by 687705

OMG!
i've tried again and again to do this with my main! i'm doing the daily dungeon everyday for the past few days and i also do it many times a day so i'll have a chance to drop it from boss.. today i log in with my alt and they both (hat and pet) drop from the bag! i was like "you've got to be kidding me! no way!" i'm reallt pissed off-.- at least i have hope now to get them with my main too. cause i'm not really in the mood to do all the achs again with my alt to get the tittle:P

Comment by AveryZan

Why not simply make the boss drop the pets and helmets like it used to? That way people can repeat this until they drop rather then just getting 1 shot from a bag that usually drops a masque or has no loot. This would be the perfect solution that so many frustrated players. All i see are bad rings noone ever wants, mix it up a little.

Comment by 688664

This Achivement should be renamed "No Soup for You - Come Back, 1 Year".

Comment by Roeth

It IS possible to get both of these in one pumpkin. I got them both in the same bag, on my 3rd day. I'd still say drop rates are low.
>> http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/4571/helmandpet.png <<

Comment by 632858

This thing is driving me insane. Right now I have like 60 tooth picks, 5 squashlings, the horseman's reins, the horseman's sword, and a whole load of other crap, but i have yet to get the hallowed helm. And to make it even worse, one of my other characters found the helm from trick or treat! I vote for removing this achievement from the meta achievement, as it is the last thing I need till i get my violet proto drake, and it just seems impossible to drop. That, or allow me to trade some squashlings for the helm.

Comment by danilche

I run the HH daily on 3 toons. I got the helm a combined total of about 8 times -- and only 1 Squashling, on the one toon I don't actually care about the ach on.

:(

Comment by 466526

i just need the helm, and i got today my 2nd drop of the pet, this is truly a joke from blizzard, we're the ones who are paying... why cant we do something about it! -.-

Comment by 632858

Alright, now my chances on this are gone. I'm leaving due to vacation with the family. I hardly slept tonight, just so I could trick or treat a little more. But nope, still I am stuck with loads and loads of everything, except the helm!

Thanks Blizzard. Thanks a lot.

Comment by TGFseb15

Not sure if the drop rates have been increased but today (1st day of Hallow's End) I got a helm from the Horseman's bag you get when you kill him in the Scarlet graveyard, and a pet from trick or treating. After that I completed Tricks and Treats of Kalimdor and among a ton of toothpicks I got another helm and another pet.

Comment by plymoc

Got this achievement on my hunter today. Went in, killed the Horseman, got my pumpkin, opened it...

Squashling and helm in the same pumpkin, along with some candy.

It was a good day.

Edit: On my priest, just got a helm, squashling, AND a broom (temporary, of course), all in the same pumpkin.

Comment by nguyenhothanh

This achivement has become easier than ever! Both the pet and the Helm can now drop from the Handful of Treats. Which means: no more luck needed! Just visit the listed Candy Bucket locations and they WILL drop for you. During my journey for the Trick and Treats achivements, I get about 7 pets and 10 helms.

I also recommend not to buy these at the vendor and save the candies/tokens for Feline Familiar and Little Wickerman instead.

Comment by 880543

CONFIRMED : i just received the sinister squashling from a "handful of treats" i looted from the inns. One from Lordanel and one from The Exodar.

Comment by selvin

Just wanted to throw it out there- for people like me who just needed the sinister squashling for their meta achievement- it's possible just buy the sinister squashling off the auction house from people who get it from their dungonfinder reward bags.

It was amusing to get a holloween achievement in January, but hey, I still finally got my pet (after three halloween events..)

Comment by stchristopher

Same bug in WotlK classic. I have both from 2021, but only the pet shows complete in the achieve. I had the Hallowed Helm in the bank, took it out and into my bag, nothing. I equipped it, still nothing. Guess it has to drop from the HH again this year. No big deal. As I remember, it's pretty common.

Comment by KuehNcheN

In 2023 there now seems to be abug because the Pet Journal was introduced. I do not have the achievment on any charakter, got the Pet (1/1) today on my Main and now afterwards both in one bag on my Alt. In the Achievment only the Helm is checked the Pet is still grey, although I have one in my Journal as well as one (unuseable because I allready got 1/1) in my begs. Summoning oine does not change it.

Comment by Emptyc

Today it is impossible to get this bug if you already have this pet in the collection. Blizzard broke the receipt of this achievement. Sent a request to support. Waiting for an answer.

I attach a video with a bug.

Comment by Stickcorporation

I have had this solved via a GM in Wrath Classic - October 25th 2023:

I have posted my ticket conversation here:
https://imgur.com/a/9nTMVx3

I have also hidden my IRL name for privacy. I hope this helps anyone else who are stuck on this achievement in 2023, wrath classic.

In short, my lvl 80 alt warrior had already learned the pet and as pets are now account wide in wrath classic I couldn't learn it on my main paladin to get the achievement credited. This has been resolved as seen in my imgur.com link.

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