I am a M+ player. I don't like the scale of huge raids and I abhor pvp. But M+ is right for me.This expansion is a real kick in the nads for M+. Totally gutted. Even raids feel bad due to how little loot is dropping. Today's vault was kinda garbage for the 2nd week in a row. I am now starting to fall behind my peers because of RNGLook at the top geared players right now. Most of them have PVP gear with some BOEs from the mythic raid. SL is a fun expansion but my GOD this gearing system is soul crushingly bad. It's a true tragedy
I completely agree with the majority of these comments that the loot system for M+ is completely unrewarding at the moment. I really hope they rework it at some point and make it more viable for those of us that do not do any PvP.
Are you kidding me? No one is forcing you to do anything. This attitude is exactly whats wrong with gearing. And no you dont HAVE to do PvP. The valueable gear from PvP is gated behind 2.4k rating and you are not gonna hit that so just take a chill pill, relax and do you +5 keys.
If you don't do any PvP then what is the fuss? If you only do M+ then thats what you get. What are you gearing for? Nothing basically.
Tbh this all just oozes of instant gratification "qq i dont get phat loot upgrades everytime I do a piece of content!"
If you only do M+ then what are you gearing for? Why does it matter if you "fall behind" as you call it. Tbh the phrase "falling behind on ilvl" is such a load of bull!@#$ and improving your coordination and positioning by 10% would probably make up for any gear.
I have no issue with loosing WF and TF (might have them stay with +5/+10 ilvl, at best), but the loot draught is real. It is very demoralizing clearing raid and getting only 35 anima plus maybe a conduit. Grind M+ or die is the new way. Burnout is incoming.
They should re-introduce the valor system back for M+ for Gear with a tier set bonus, similar to our Convenant gear. With the Great vault only rewarding the valor gear that's upgradable with valor similar to pvp gear.
Overall I think its all in a pretty good spot. Some minor changes to M+ could make this the best gearing system yet. M+ should not be giving out more than heroic raid gear besides the vault. The fact that it is repeatable would make heroic raids pointless. Also should not give out 233 weapons or gear. Mythic + is not harder than pvp or raids. Look up the percentages of the population that complete a +15 over the span of a patch vs the population that has completed a mythic raid or achieved gladiator. It is easier at all comparative levels as well. Doing 7 keys will get you a 213 at the end of the week. 7 keys are easier than heroic and easier than getting to 1800. One change I do think that would be nice is just do 2 pieces of loot at the end and 3 if you time it. The gear at the end is all replaceable eventually and if the ilvl is lower, might as well give out another piece for the effort. Looking at the general population of the player base, most people I see are doing 5-8 keys and who cares if they get a few extra pieces of 197/200ilvl at the end. That way there is a reward making it worth it without making the other content useless.Also anyone who says you have to PVP to do PVE must not care about their stat weights. Yeah the pvp gear can be worth it super early in the patch since the ilvl is most likely a greater upgrade over stats but unless youre a WW monk, havoc DH, or tank, you probably dont want the vers. Also PVP gearing is almost on par with mythic plus. One or two pieces of gear per week? Sounds pretty similar to M+. Yes it is more targetable but it is not repeatable like M+ is. 100% people just expect to be funneled gear. Each patch will be playable longer this way and at the same time actually makes getting an upgrade feel good unlike bfa.
been running m+ for to weeks now guess how much gear I got to and it's all from the great vault the system is a joke
Mythic + needs to closen the gap between normal and heroic RAIDING and not WIDEN IT. At this very moment, m15 gives lesser ilvl than a smelly heroic nathria (IF YOU CAN GET A SINGLE DROP) It was ok to offer several options and bis options through essences and cap them into other content like (pve, pvp, emmisarys ettc.) but this?I can only state again. Blizzard needs to push their stock value, therefore they design the game for casuals to pay gold to any "booster" and for any content. People that do things on their own, are the most annoying thing to blizz, because they only pay once a month (if so) and thats it. They want us to die slowly, or better, quit the game, so they can milk the sheepy rest.