I have mixed feelings about the flying tho...In Pandaria, you had flying only at level 90. That didn't held me to exlpore from 85 to 90 on foot, with all of my characters. Why even bother buying flying mounts from the blizzard store anymore...
Why you gotta hate #hashtag?
I don't find no flying a big deal. The only reason people don't like it is because they are lazy. They are the type of people who sit and wait for summons instead of going to the stone to summon someone. It doesn't take too much longer to travel around if you have all the FP's which you should get while questing.
I didn't cancel my sub because of no flying, and I wouldn't come back if they added it. I did come back for a month with a gold game token but even then didn't log in much because the game has just gotten so dull. It's a real shame, as I enjoyed the game previously and would love to have a reason to play it again. WOD just isn't that any more.I think flying would at least help a little to revitalise the tedium that game has become.Personally, I'm against having no flying ever again (they left the door open because they know they might change their minds again) for "new" content (I read that as future content, and no flying would remain). I'm quite happy to not fly whilst I level and only then at max level - something in the WotLK model would be far better.I don't think I can remember such a huge outcry over one single item. Kind of puts the "real name" into 2nd place. One of the quickest and largest set of capped threads on the official forums shows the feelings of the playerbase. It's also naive to think it's evenly split, reading the comments with the whole forum user base as an indicative sample is quite clear in that it is a decision that the majority of players feel strongly against.Saying all that, I'm really enjoying the SWTOR class stories at the moment...even if I can't fly there.
Archaeology without flying is madness. Archaeology with flying is still pretty dull, but without flying it's pure tedium, back and forth over the same stupid ground and around the same stupid obstacles. I guess I'll stick to MoP for working toward the Tol'vir rares.Actually, I'll be sticking to pre-Warlords content whereever I can. It's a shame, because they're beautiful zones. That are miserable to travel.
I liked the idea of no flying mounts, and i still do to this day think it was a good choice to prevent playing in warlords.like many other people i would've immediately got the flying license and wouldn't really think about looking around the world at all, some things might catch my eye, but i wouldn't get a grasp of how big and beautiful the world they created was. I do look around while i level and such but having that restriction at least for a while was more good then bad While saying that though, sooner or later i think they have to put flying into Draenor, not just from the complaint or the tediousness that comes with running around this world, but it will give us a new perspective of the world we roamAnd it will allow us to get to places we didn't have to time to explore or think about going toOverall, they need to put flying in, but i'm glad they didn't have it at the start.
Lucky for me I'm a noob (7 months), so this seems pretty natural to me, although I do wish I could show off my Mystic Runesaber while flying.
The argument that "exploring" is grand is almost legit. But why do I have to do it if I don't want to?My real crabbiness comes when I have to run up the same freaking maze of hills in Nagrand while leveling my 11th toon to 100... I'm so hindered by the barriers, once again, I wonder why I bother playing something that isn't fun. So many times now, I leave things undone because of the hassle of finding the route to the objective.Let me fly, and stop trying to tell me how to enjoy the game. (oh, and Zarhym, this is me saying "it's not fun")
Im ok with the no flying . I think once they added the 90s get flying back in Mop people didnt care at all as long as you could fly that made things easier. The game over time has made people lazy. I got about 166 mounts most are land mounts ..This girl needs to show them off .Not everyone has the old school raptor mount from ZG lol
Someone always mentions archeology when "no flying" is discussed. Now, of course this is completely useless as hindsight, but if you are planning on using an alt below level 100 for archaeology, do the draenor digsites below level 92. It keeps your digsites in FFR/SMV, making it a lot easier to level!
bullcrap.I hate not being able to fly in Draenor at max level. While levelling up no flying is fine. I personally would be out and about in Draenor a hell of a lot more exploring if i could fly, as it is i do my many garrisons, and raid, and yes i am the person who flies to the raid rather than waiting for a summon. However, if we could fly id fly on my own mount looking around this beautiful scenery rather than afk-ing on a taxi. If folk don't want to fly, great, that's their choice, but let us that do have the choice too. "Once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward. For there, you have been, and there you will always long to return." Da Vinci"It's only when you're flying above it that you realize how incredible (the Earth) Azeroth really is." Phillippe Perrin.
What was that about #MurlocLove?
I previously posted this on the official forums, but since there were two threads on the no-flying decision with over 8,000 responses each last I checked, I figure it can't hurt to post my thoughts here, too. Get ready for the Wall of Text Raid Boss.I am a player who has been with WoW since the beginning. I played Everquest since its launch prior. I used to raid much more hardcore with a guild that always tried to be server first each tier. (Not elite, but serious.) We have remained together, but our raiding focus has shifted. (We complete tiers in heroic, but mythic is pretty much not on the table... getting exactly twenty is harder than the raid itself.) With this lesser focus on raiding, we gamers fill our play time with other things: collect pets, collect mounts, PvP, fish, hunt nerd points, whatever. This is all background to get to the topic at hand.I think the best way to evaluate the desirability of flying is to look at the difference between destination and journey or perhaps between fishing and cutting bait. And let's set aside the chestnut that life is a journey, not a destination. I'll stipulate to that. Indeed, our playing WoW is part of that journey that should enrich and add life to our years. Let's focus on WoW itself as part of that journey.Leveling in WoW can be about the journey. Sure, I'm the type of player that races to max level b/c that is where the game starts for me. I still enjoy a good leveling experience. I enjoy seeing new lands, new mobs, new quests. It is a fun 36 hours.At max level, WoW is about the destination, not the journey. I -- and I think from observation most others -- set out during a play session with a goal in mind. I am going to hit old dungeons. I am going to battle pet trainers. I am going to fish. I am going to raid. The doing of those things is the fun. The travel to do those things isn't. Fishing is fishing. Traveling to fish is cutting bait.My wife and I went to Paris last year. We flew business class and it was about as enjoyable an experience as flying today can be. It was still just flying. When we talk about our trip, we talk about Paris -- the destination -- not the travel to Paris. Yes, we want that travel to be as nice and easy as it can be, but it isn't the focus of our desire... of our fun. So, too, is in WoW.When I want to battle pet trainers, I want to be battling pet trainers. I don't want to fight mobs to do that. I don't want to extend my travel between trainers. I want to battle trainers. That is true for any WoW activity that isn't killing mobs. There are time I just want to grind mobs. Great, that then is the destination and even then, I want to get to the mobs for my grind as quickly and easily as possible.Flying is an easy way to minimize the journey (the "have to") to get to the destination (the "want to"). It is several times faster than going by ground and can be done in a straight line, not subject to topography. It bypasses mobs, canyons, rivers, factions, and all other obstacles. It is efficient. Riding a ground mount, at least as it now stands, offers none of that. It is all the drawbacks, none of the advantages.It seems to me that if you want to make a change to full-time ground travel, you need to eliminate most of drawbacks of current ground travel and incorporate many if not most of the advantages of flight. Let's start with speed. Ground travel should take no more time than air travel. Flying mounts are 310% so at minimum, so too should ground mounts. Yet flying mounts can travel to a destination in a straight line, so ground mounts need to be even faster to overcome this loss. 400%? 500%? Whatever it takes to even it out.And let's eliminate dazing and dismounting while mounted. If I travel through mobs and they can kill me as I ride through, so be it. But if they can't get the job done that way, I don't want to be forced to stop to deal with the situation. The aggression of lower level mobs should also be eliminated. Mobs ten or more levels under you -- for example -- should never aggro you unless you attack them. (EQ2 did this right with lower mobs cowering in fear.) Minimize the annoyances between the destinations.And you have to do better with flight paths. I know that you think that you've improved them. Perhaps you have, but you are still thinking small. For a start, make the travel speed faster... much, much faster. I mean 10 or 20 times as fast... at least. I want to fly from the top of a continent to the bottom in less than two minutes, the time it takes to pee or grab a beer. In my perfect WoW world, I could simply teleport where I want to go to start my fun. Absent that, speed counts. Even better than flight speed alone would be the elimination of travel through other flight points. Ironforge to Booty Bay shouldn't go through six flight points on the way. It should B-line between the two. People want to take a nonstop flight between Los Angeles and New York. No one is excited about a layover in Cleveland.If we are forced to live in a grounded world, then allow us to have our destination activities in peace after the travel. Battle pet trainers should be in safe areas that are easily accessible and never more than 30 seconds right from a flight point. (I'm a big pet leveler, both to battle and to sell for money. In spite of this, I've killed the WoD trainers each exactly once. They are too much trouble to access. I level in Pandaria where I can fly and complete the full circuit in under an hour.) This should be true for archeology sites as well.The best way to allow us our fun is to bring back flying. That also honors our history with WoW. So far, you have taken away our carrot -- a carrot that we rightly now see as ours -- and only offered us a stick. So if we are forced to live with the stick, at least make it as soft and shiny a stick as possible.
Days have passed and everyone is still talking about flying. HAY BLIZZARD! what was that about no fuss? PUT FLYING IN DRANOR AND EVERY EXPANTION THAT FOLLOWS! And for the rest of you "no fly people" who are calling us lazy for wanting to fly don't buy flying or you too lazy to stick to your guns.
I just love the new twist, as in twist the knife, to the contest. This time we get to plummet to our doom while clicking the camera button at just the right moment or else will have to do it over and over again. Such FUN!Where is the sales genius who thought this thing up so I can reward them with a water bottle?
Yea, that scavenger one this week was tricky. Couldn't get the same angle but hopefully it counts :p
ha, good thing i am a monk so falling to my death will be very difficult :)GOKU NIMBUS CLOUD GO!but yeah i will miss flying, they should have just did it as a huge reward for:1) Exploring all zones2) Having the 200 achievement for treasures3) Killed 90% of the rare mobs4) have done lfr highmaul blackhand5) have archelogy skill at 7006) level 3 garrison7) been to ashran and won 1 match (ie. kill vol, or whatever alliance chick is)make tananananananna jungle unflyable. also i hear so many drama posts about timewalking dungeons, arnt you scaling down to help join groups with lowbies doing them too? i thought it was to help fill some group needs for leveling characters. or was i wrong on that assumption! i am a horrible person.You know I won't quit over this flying thing but i will miss it. Nothing i loved more than when flying came out they flying and the freedom i felt in outworld.I am also not a fan of the competition being added to the black market auctionhouse. means i will have to fight more people for items.